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[Michkov]

Wednesday, 13 June 16:00 - 20:00 Free practice
                                           22:00 - 24:00 Qualifying
Thursday, 14 June 19:00 - 21:00 Qualifying
                                           22:00 - 24:00
Friday, 15 June   17:30 - 19:30 Drivers' Parade
Saturday, 16 June       09:00 - 09:45 Warm-up
                                   15:00 Start of the 80th 24 Hours of Le Mans
Sunday, 17 June            15:00 Finish of the 80th 24 Hours of Le Mans


Its Le Mans week, the racing starts tomorrow with the first practice. No Peugeots this year to challenge Audi, maybe newcomer Toyota can up with them. Judging by the times from test day Toyota seems at least as fast as the Audis, but Audi has years of experience on their site.

Streams
Live Audio   http://radiolemans.0157.org/node

Edited by Michkov, Jun 12 2012 - 02:02 PM.

[Nurby Yogi]

Thanks!

[Saiph]

Nice post Michkov! Always good to see the blue-and-orange Gulf colours at Le Mans!

[davef]

Thank you Michkov !   An excellent guide for watching the race.

Interesting to see some of the Ferrari's with American drivers competing against the Corvettes.
Car #61 Michael Waltrip (NASCAR). I know he drove at Le Mans last year but I don't
see him driving here.Co-Driver Brian Vickers also from NASCAR.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AF_Corse

Edited by davef, Jun 12 2012 - 08:41 PM.

[gliebzeit]

Thank you very much, Michkov, for posting the Le Mans car-guide!!!  That is great stuff!

LIVE VIDEO FEED OF 3rd QUALIFYING SESSION ON EUROSPORT LIVE!

Le Mans 3rd Qualy Session: http://www.vipbox.tv...eam-online.html

Edited by gliebzeit, Jun 14 2012 - 02:26 PM.

[Michkov]

Qualy results below. Audi takes 1st row

Spoiler

1. Lotterer/Fassler/Treluyer Audi Sport Team Joest Audi R18 e-Tron Quattro 3mins 23.787secs LMP1
2. Bernhard/Dumas/Duval                     Audi Sport Team Joest Audi R18 Ultra 3mins 24.078secs LMP1
3. Davidson/Buemi/Sarrazin     Toyota Racing Toyota TS030 HYBRID 3mins 24.842secs LMP1
4. McNish/Capello/Kristensen Audi Sport Team Joest Audi R18 e-Tron Quattro 3mins 25.433secs LMP1
5. Wurz/Lapierre/Nakajima Toyota Racing Toyota TS030 HYBRID 3mins 25.488secs LMP1
6. Jarvis/Bonanomi/Rockenfeller Audi Sport North America Audi R18 Ultra 3mins 26.420secs LMP1
7. Leventis/Watts/Kane Strakka Racing HPD ARX03a-Honda 3mins 29.622secs LMP1
8. Prost/Jani/Heidfeld Rebellion Racing Lola B12/60-Toyota 3mins 29.837secs LMP1
9. Belicchi/Primat/Bleekemolen Rebellion Racing Lola B12/60-Toyota 3mins 31.866secs LMP1
10. Minassian/Ara/Bourdais Pescarolo Team Dome-Judd 3mins 33.066secs LMP1
11. Brabham/Chandhok/Dumbreck JRM HPD ARX03a-Honda 3mins 35.421secs LMP1
12. Montagny/Baguette/Kraihamer OAK Racing OAK Pescarolo-Judd 3mins 35.584secs LMP1
13. Collard/Boullion/Hall Pescarolo Team Pescarolo 03-Judd 3mins 37.485secs LMP1
14. Martin/Charouz/Graves ADR-Delta Oreca 03-Nissan 3mins 38.181secs LMP2
15. Nicolet/Lahaye/Pla OAK Racing Morgan-Judd 3mins 38.598secs LMP2
16. Ragues/Panciatici/Rusinov Signatech Nissan Oreca 03-Nissan 3mins 39.152secs LMP2
17. Thiriet/Beche/Tinseau TDS Racing     Oreca 03-Nissan 3mins 39.252secs LMP2
18. Perez-Companc/Kaffer/Ayari Pecom Racing Oreca 03-Nissan 3mins 39.711secs LMP2
19. Firth/Hartley/Hughes Murphy Prototypes Oreca 03-Nissan 3mins 39.877secs LMP2
20. Heinemeier/Leinders/Martin OAK Racing Morgan-Nissan 3mins 39.899secs LMP2
21. Sims/Buurman/Iannetta Status Grand Prix Lola-Judd 3mins 40.280secs LMP2
22. Potolicchio/Dalziel/KimberSmith  Starworks Motorsport HPD ARX03b-Honda 3mins 40.471secs LMP2
23. Briere/Petersen/Nakano Boutsen Ginion Racing Oreca 03-Nissan 3mins 40.727secs LMP2
24. Brundle/Brundle/Ordonez Greaves Motorsport Zytek Z11SN-Nissan 3mins 40.738secs LMP2
25. Hancock/Dolan/Kurosawa JOTA Zytek Z11SN-Nissan 3mins 41.287secs LMP2
26. Tresson/Maillieux/Lombard Signatech Nissan Oreca 03-Nissan 3mins 41.982secs LMP2
27. Tucker/Bouchut/Diaz Level 5 Motorsports HPD ARX03b-Honda 3mins 42.224secs LMP2
28. Zugel/Julian/Gonzalez Greaves Motorsport Zytek Z11SN-Nissan 3mins 42.292secs LMP2
29. Franchitti/Krumm/Motoyama Highcroft Racing DeltaWing Nissan 3mins 42.612secs New Tech
30. Frey/Meichtry/Hirschi Race Performance Oreca 03-Judd 3mins 43.619secs LMP2
31. Holzer/Schultis/Moro Lotus Lola B12/80-Lotus 3mins 45.664secs LMP2
32. Giriox/Badey/Johansson Gulf Racing Middle East Lola B12/80-Nissan 3mins 47.224secs LMP2
33. Rosier/Thirion/Haezebrouck Extreme Limite ARIC Norma MP200-Judd 3mins 48.025secs LMP2
34. Makowiecki/Melo/Farnbacher Luxury Racing Ferrari 458 Italia 3mins 55.393secs GTE-Pro
35. Mucke/Turner/Fernandez Aston Martin Racing Aston Martin Vantage V8 3mins 55.870secs GTE-Pro
36. Gavin/Milner/Westbrook Corvette Racing Chevrolet Corvette C6 3mins 55.910secs GTE-Pro
37. Bertolini/Beretta/Cioci AF Corse Ferrari 458 Italia 3mins 56.484secs GTE-Pro
38. Garcia/Magnussen/Taylor Corvette Racing Chevrolet Corvette C6 3mins 57.181secs GTE-Pro
39. Neiman/Pilet/Pumpelly Flying Lizard Motorsports Porsche 997 RSR 3mins 57.594secs GTE-Am
40. Lietz/Lieb/Henzler Felbermayr-Proton Porsche 997 RSR 3mins 57.606secs GTE-Pro
41. Alfaisal/Curtis/Edwards Prospeed Competition Porsche 997 RSR 3mins 58.035secs GTE-Am
42. Bergmeister/Long/Holzer Flying Lizard Motorsports Porsche 997 RSR 3mins 58.717secs GTE-Pro
43. Nygaard/Poulsen/Simonsen Aston Martin Racing Aston Martin Vantage V8 3mins 58.725secs GTE-Am
44. Ehret/Montecalvo/Jeannette Luxury Racing Ferrari 458 Italia 3mins 58.800secs GTE-Am
45. Ihara/Deletraz/Rostan Gulf Racing Middle East Lola B12/80-Nissan 3mins 58.895secs LMP2
46. Ried/Roda/Ruberti Felbermayr-Proton Porsche 997 RSR 3mins 59.181secs GTE-Am
47. Bornhauser/Canal/Lamy Larbre Competition Chevrolet Corvette C6 3mins 59.192secs GTE-Am
48. Cocker/Walker/Wills JMW Motorsport Ferrari 458 Italia 3mins 59.638secs GTE-Pro
49. Fisichella/Bruni/Vilander AF Corse Ferrari 458 Italia 4mins 00.025secs GTE-Pro
50. Perazzini/Griffin/Cadei AF Corse Ferrari 458 Italia 4mins 00.288secs GTE-Am
51. Pons/Narac/Armindo IMSA Performance Matmut Porsche 997 RSR 4mins 00.332secs GTE-Am
52. Kauffman/Aguas/Vickers AF Corse-Waltrip Ferrari 458 Italia 4mins 00.691secs GTE-Am
53. Krohn/Jonsson/Rugolo Krohn Racing Ferrari 458 Italia 4mins 02.323secs GTE-Am
54. Rodrigues/Illiano/Ferte JMB Racing Ferrari 458 Italia 4mins 02.461secs GTE-Am
55. Bourret/Gibon/Belloc Larbre Competition Chevrolet Corvette C6 4mins 02.969secs GTE-Am
56. Daniels/Palttala/Camathias JWA Avila Porsche 997 RSR 4mins 03.661secs GTE-Am

sorry about the formatin.

Race starts at 1500h CEST

Edited by Michkov, Jun 15 2012 - 04:32 PM.

[sky]

since i'm not going i will try and catch the videos this year.
also quite interesting to see the deltawing outpace some of the lmp2 cars.... it will be interesting to see where it ends up in the end

[Michkov]

The Deltawing could go faster if they wanted. The organisers have limited it to 300kph on the straights.

20mins to the green flag. Here is a stream I found
http://www.vipbox.tv...eam-online.html

[M Needforspeed]

Roman and alls interested


  just in case you haven 't seen

you can follow ALL the 24 hours live with embarked car cameras on your choice here

http://www.dailymoti...tv#video=xqxkvh

or http://live.lemans-tv.com/fr/

comments in French, but with some english cover sometimes


  personally, how boring those modern races, after a few minuts watching, can be ... looking at real races, and i understand more why I never got the habit to R Factor carsets and the like .

Have a nice night !

Edited by M Needforspeed, Jun 16 2012 - 02:38 PM.

[sky]

actually seeing the footage kinda annoys me since i was set to go til about 7pm friday until i got told we wouldn't be back until 8am monday, which is when i would be due in at work - and being 32 hours awake , including 8 hours of driving (860km) and 10 hours of work after that... not exactly my idea of fun
the thing that is a bit annoying about the prototypes these days is that judging by the onboard they are going on rails, no drama, no wiggling. and of course they are missing the petrol noises! please bring back that v12 aston in lmp1 class . still it is interesting looking at them go through the dusk. i love the colour of the sky there and the lights and all that.

that aside, i don't think you go to le mans soley for the actual race. the atmosphere around it is what is actually making the race and the trip worthwhile for me - the fireworks, the bbq, the camping, the cannon shots, the burning kites, ... as for the trip itself i especially loved the part where our convoy of 4 touring beemers crossed the border back home last year and we were finally able to go flat out again as opposed to the 120-130 being imposed for most (70%) of the total trek

Edited by sky, Jun 16 2012 - 03:03 PM.

[M Needforspeed]

sky, on Jun 16 2012 - 02:51 PM, said:

actually seeing the footage kinda annoys me since i was set to go til about 7pm friday until i got told we wouldn't be back until 8am monday, which is when i would be due in at work - and being 32 hours awake , including 8 hours of driving (860km) and 10 hours of work after that... not exactly my idea of fun
the thing that is a bit annoying about the prototypes these days is that judging by the onboard they are going on rails, no drama, no wiggling. and of course they are missing the petrol noises! please bring back that v12 aston in lmp1 class . still it is interesting looking at them go through the dusk. i love the colour of the sky there and the lights and all that.

that aside, i don't think you go to le mans soley for the actual race. the atmosphere around it is what is actually making the race and the trip worthwhile for me - the fireworks, the bbq, the camping, the cannon shots, the burning kites, ... as for the trip itself i especially loved the part where our convoy of 4 touring beemers crossed the border back home last year and we were finally able to go flat out again as opposed to the 120-130 being imposed for most (70%) of the total trek

Roman,


   Sure, how your week end wld have been tough ! A wise decision to stay at home


Those stupid politicians in France says that 's for road safety .That ' s in fact only to make money, because there is no way to justify radar on Motorway . I have lost 7 points on the 12 every french conductor  get.  Let' s wait 3/4 years, and be assured I will lost them alls

Some drive without knowing that they have lost alls points .If so, you need to start driving lessons again !

The worst thing is those :angry33:ing ecologists that sustain such anti speed policy !

Lucky are you Roman to live in  a country with no speed limit on Highway

Edited by M Needforspeed, Jun 17 2012 - 06:52 AM.

[sky]

well the first time we went we left saturday morning at 5am, were at the track at 12 (including a short rest & refill stop just outside paris and a traffic jam in paris) and took about two hours from the motorway exit to the campsite and going to s/f - missing the start by 15 seconds lol. after the race got back at 4am on monday and went to work noon the same day...

anyway, now watching the french live stream and painting banking textures for the blanchimont section.

tiffany chittenden.. yummy

oh btw, there is a link somewhere where you can choose between 7 or 8 camera angles.. pretty cool. 5 or 6 onboard cameras (audis 1-3, corvette)

voici: http://live.lemans-tv.com/

[M Needforspeed]

I have seen they seems happy that the race was under the Pace Car flag for "only" 2H 24 compared with 4hours last year.Hey,  That 's way too much time
   Anyway, good fight between the Porsche number 67 and the Corvette 50 at the end of the race !


You are able to do two things at the same time .Blanchimont,  the place that killed and injured more drivers than anywhere else ! Take care of you, Roman !

Edited by M Needforspeed, Jun 17 2012 - 07:02 AM.

[Stefan Roess]

24 hours of Le Mans 2012 crash compilation

http://www.bsimracin...s/#.T99KMMXjZfw

[M Needforspeed]

Stefan,

As you just let us know you updated the recommended behaviour text  at SR WORLD

We have witnessed at Le Mans a remarkable  application on your SR WORLD website " the GPL. recommended behaviour "  of what not to do by Antony Davidson .
  
  In fact, the Ferrari keep its normal racing line when Toyota car nose is still not ovelaping the car in front .If he had respected the rule to no go inside a car if you haven 't overlaped at the end of the braking zone, the crash cld have been avoided

if we read the scenario below, Davidson Toyota at Le Mans play the Lotus part in GPL  , and the Ferrari GT at Le Mans the Eagle in GPL


Corner Rights
If you watch the odd few GPL drivers in action you might think the  rule for corner rights goes something like, " Whatever piece of ground I  can barge my way into I have the right to ". Well, ... not so. There is  actually an etiquette for corner rights. Its not just for GPL, or  racing sims, but is basically the same for every level of real-world  motor racing - from Formula Ford to Formula 1 and everything in between.  " What ! ", you say. " You mean I don't have the right to throw my car  into any gap I see ? ". Actually no, you don't - and if you raced in any  real-world competition the way you may race in GPL, instead of being  hailed as a motor racing genius you may find yourself banned from even  the lowest levels of the sport. Some of the everyday things you see in  GPL simply aren't tolerated where real cars are damaged, real money is  the cost of repair, and real lives are at risk.

In brief, the concept is, you must establish substantial overlap  with the car ahead before a corner's turn-in point to have the right for  room to be left for you by the ahead driver. Substantial overlap means  at least that the front of your car is up to say the driver's position  in the ahead car - and that's at the very least. You probably should  have more in many circumstances. The ahead driver has ever right to be  fully committed to the racing line of his choice without any  interference if there was no overlap before he turned in.

If sufficient overlap is established before the turn-in point,  then the behind driver has the right to room. The ahead driver can still  battle for the place of course but must do so from a wider-out  position, leaving room for the behind driver.

   You can see here why overlap established after the turn-in point  isn't really valid and therefore isn't honoured in car racing rules. Its  actually false overlap that's created by the turning movements of the  cars. Its not due to one being faster than the other or one out-braking  the other. In positions 1, 2, and 3, below, you can see that the Lotus  has no overlap at all if you consider the straight ahead direction -  shown by the blue lines. But if you take a perpendicular from the  attitude of the cars, shown by the red lines, there is some overlap at  position 2 and substantial overlap at position 3. This overlap is  entirely false of course as the Lotus here hasn't actually out-braked or  out-sped the Eagle by any amount what-so-ever - as I hope you can see  form this diagram. Unfortunately many drivers think that if they do this  they are some kind of out-braking genius, when in fact they are not  out-preforming the other driver at all. Its a geometric illusion that  has nothing to do with a driver's ability or performance. If they could  really out-brake the other, they would have made some overlap before the  turn-in point, not after it.

• Before the turn-in point there's no overlap - therefore the  Lotus has no right to room or to interfere with the Eagle's normal  racing line in any way.
• But, as often happens, the Lotus sees this empty zone along the  inside and thinks they can zoom up into it, probably believing this to  be the move of a talented racing genius.
• Its possible to get apparent overlap after the turn-in point. The point is you shouldn't.
• The Lotus may actually achieve their objective, forcing the  Eagle out wide, who may actually not press the issue for the sake of not  crashing - if they can.
• But, if the Eagle doesn't back away, and holds their line, as they're entitled to do, this is what happens as often as not.

The issue is that the Eagle has the right to be fully committed to  the racing line. In this case, the entire inside area ought to have been  a no-go zone for the Lotus, who should have tucked in behind and  followed the Eagle around. Of course, late braking barge drivers often  end up in the hay bails, hopefully without taking you with them.

  You may wonder how this reconciles with the above regarding leaving  room for cars that disappear up your inside from your mirrors. Well ...  If a behind car doesn't have overlap before the turn-in point then they  shouldn't disappear up your inside line but stay tucked in behind you.  If they want to disappear up your inside line then they should do so  before you reach the turn-in point. If they disappear up your inside  line after the turn-in point, then its really up to you how you play it.  You may decide to enforce your rights and risk a contact, or your may  be willing ( reluctantly ) to leave room because you don't want to  crash.

An exception to this is where an ahead driver has clearly made a  sufficient error to warrant a passing move. Eg - they brake too late and  wash out wide of the apex and have to reduce speed etc. This would be a  valid passing opportunity regardless of whether there was pre-existing  overlap. However, there is still substantial reasonability on the  overtaking driver to take all necessary care.

Small errors by the ahead driver may not be sufficient to allow a  safe passing move however. Just because the ahead drivers gets a bit  out of shape at times it doesn't give you an automatic right to room.  You still have to judge if their error provides sufficient opportunity  for a safe pass to take place.

As long as there is genuine overlap, in general , while going through a corner beside another car  ...

The car on the outside has the right to the outer half of the  track all the way around - right up to the exit point.  They should not  be squeezed against the outside towards the exit point.

The car on the inside has the right to the inside half of the  track all the way around - right up to the exit point.  They should not  be squeezed against the inside towards the apex area.

Having said all this, one would have to add that corner rights is  not an exact science. There are some variables. Presented here is just  the basic concept of the accepted etiquette. Even in real life, with  full vision, full sensory feedback, infinite fps and resolution, its not  uncommon for real drivers to come to grief with this - usually saying  it was the other guy's fault. With GPLs' huge blind spots its even more  hit and miss, often literally. ( You can however simulate real life to  the letter by saying it was the other guy's fault ).

Edited by M Needforspeed, Jun 18 2012 - 02:42 PM.