Hi all.
I've installed the racing line of Phil Flack.
It says pick dat, pick groove (Of gpl replay analizer)up to here is everything OK, but when it says pick centerline i don't have anything to choose.
Someone has the link to the page of centerlines?. I think it was from the old RSC
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, Jan 30 2012 - 08:13 PM
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Posted Jan 30 2012 - 08:13 PM
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Posted Jan 30 2012 - 09:32 PM
Well, I think that site is down for now... I had a talk about it with Al Heller, he send me the .cln's of all tracks in gpl, muchausen, challenge ahd historic rank. Obviously .cln's are quite hard to extract and noone does it anymore, but probably some ppl have more tracks... I'l post the ranks cln's here, hope its not against some rules.
CLN GPL Rank.7z 279.15K
102 downloads
CLN Challenge Rank.7z 108.73K
87 downloads
CLN Munchausen Rank.7z 67.21K
78 downloads
CLN Historic Rank.7z 135.6K
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You also have to put the groove.mip in the track folder, or it wont work right...
groove.7z 510bytes
101 downloads
CLN GPL Rank.7z 279.15K
102 downloads
CLN Challenge Rank.7z 108.73K
87 downloads
CLN Munchausen Rank.7z 67.21K
78 downloads
CLN Historic Rank.7z 135.6K
80 downloadsYou also have to put the groove.mip in the track folder, or it wont work right...
groove.7z 510bytes
101 downloads
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Posted Jan 30 2012 - 10:24 PM
s2173, on Jan 30 2012 - 09:32 PM, said:
Well, I think that site is down for now... I had a talk about it with Al Heller, he send me the .cln's of all tracks in gpl, muchausen, challenge ahd historic rank. Obviously .cln's are quite hard to extract and noone does it anymore, but probably some ppl have more tracks... I'l post the ranks cln's here, hope its not against some rules.
CLN GPL Rank.7z CLN Challenge Rank.7z CLN Munchausen Rank.7z CLN Historic Rank.7z
You also have to put the groove.mip in the track folder, or it wont work right...
groove.7z
CLN GPL Rank.7z CLN Challenge Rank.7z CLN Munchausen Rank.7z CLN Historic Rank.7zYou also have to put the groove.mip in the track folder, or it wont work right...
groove.7zThanks a lot!
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Posted Jan 31 2012 - 04:44 AM
Attached is my complete collection of CLN's.
Also, with some tracks, you sometimes find the track surface looks like a zebra crossing after regrooving. In that case dropping the attached groove.mip file into the track folder should fix it.
PS: just noticed Sky has already provided the groove file; anyway you only need to use it for some tracks...
Also, with some tracks, you sometimes find the track surface looks like a zebra crossing after regrooving. In that case dropping the attached groove.mip file into the track folder should fix it.
PS: just noticed Sky has already provided the groove file; anyway you only need to use it for some tracks...
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Posted Feb 08 2012 - 06:33 PM
Thanks guys. Site is down!
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Posted Feb 09 2012 - 09:15 AM
Anyone have centerline file for Monthlery 1966?
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Posted Feb 09 2012 - 02:03 PM
Pavel I don't believe that one was made for that track. Border Reiver is the one with the knowledge of how to make them.
Speaking of which, Rob is there any chance you would consider making a .cln file for Brands67? We have 4 different ranks that use this track and it would be great to be able to regroove it. I and others would appreciate it I'm sure.
Craig
Speaking of which, Rob is there any chance you would consider making a .cln file for Brands67? We have 4 different ranks that use this track and it would be great to be able to regroove it. I and others would appreciate it I'm sure.
Craig
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Posted Feb 09 2012 - 06:04 PM
Larko29, on Feb 09 2012 - 02:03 PM, said:
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Speaking of which, Rob is there any chance you would consider making a .cln file for Brands67? We have 4 different ranks that use this track and it would be great to be able to regroove it. I and others would appreciate it I'm sure.
Craig
Speaking of which, Rob is there any chance you would consider making a .cln file for Brands67? We have 4 different ranks that use this track and it would be great to be able to regroove it. I and others would appreciate it I'm sure.
Craig
(Well somebody had to say it, didn't they??!)
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Posted Feb 10 2012 - 02:14 AM
Why not use the one for Brands67 that is available.
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Posted Feb 10 2012 - 05:38 AM
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Thank you never knew it existed 
, many thanks for posting, and to Rob or Phil for creating
Craig
Thank you
never knew it existed , many thanks for posting, and to Rob or Phil for creatingCraig
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Posted Feb 10 2012 - 07:44 AM
Pavel, on Feb 09 2012 - 09:15 AM, said:
Anyone have centerline file for Monthlery 1966?
cln file for Monthlery66 should be great ! ill be gladly help to creating this if possible, maybe Rob can help with this too .
Edited by Jhalli, Feb 10 2012 - 07:45 AM.
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It was me I think, with prior permission from Dave Sabre who made the track and said it was OK to release it.
I'll have a look at Monthlery when I get time, although since I know how it was made I suspect that it will never be properly happy, in much the same way as the AI will never be 100% happy there either. That track really is a case in point for using a deliberately mismatched trk and 3do file since what you look at and what you drive on are not the same thing, or at least, they don't have to be.
(Mind you, doing that would still not help with regrooving since that does not work properly for tracks where the trk and 3do are not matched....)
Rob
I'll have a look at Monthlery when I get time, although since I know how it was made I suspect that it will never be properly happy, in much the same way as the AI will never be 100% happy there either. That track really is a case in point for using a deliberately mismatched trk and 3do file since what you look at and what you drive on are not the same thing, or at least, they don't have to be.
(Mind you, doing that would still not help with regrooving since that does not work properly for tracks where the trk and 3do are not matched....)Rob
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Posted Feb 10 2012 - 08:19 AM
Larko29, on Feb 10 2012 - 05:38 AM, said:
AndersOE
Thank you never knew it existed , many thanks for posting, and to Rob or Phil for creating
Craig
Thank you
never knew it existed , many thanks for posting, and to Rob or Phil for creatingCraig
Same here. Always wanted it but never knew it existed. Really necessary for getting that strange line through South Bend that only seems to work in the GPL version.
Thanks very much
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Posted Apr 24 2012 - 03:30 AM
I'm after a cln file for Road America (track folder elkhart), does anyone have it?
If not, how hard is it to create a cln file from scratch? I have some programming skills but no understanding of the file formats.
If not, how hard is it to create a cln file from scratch? I have some programming skills but no understanding of the file formats.
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Having looked at several of the Noonan converted ICR2 -> GPL tracks with that in mind, I would be very surprised if it would work since none of the others do.
Basically, it only works for tracks made using Phil's track making tools. The Nooonan converted tracks and also John Black's Oulton Park did not use Phil's track compiler. As a result of this, they will not regroove using Phil's Racing Line tool. There are also some other cases where stuff goes weird for other tracks too, but that particular group don't ever seem to work, despite many hours trying.
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Basically, it only works for tracks made using Phil's track making tools. The Nooonan converted tracks and also John Black's Oulton Park did not use Phil's track compiler. As a result of this, they will not regroove using Phil's Racing Line tool. There are also some other cases where stuff goes weird for other tracks too, but that particular group don't ever seem to work, despite many hours trying.
Rob
Edited by Border Reiver, Apr 24 2012 - 04:17 AM.
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Posted Apr 24 2012 - 05:10 AM
Border Reiver, on Apr 24 2012 - 04:11 AM, said:
Having looked at several of the Noonan converted ICR2 -> GPL tracks with that in mind, I would be very surprised if it would work since none of the others do.
Basically, it only works for tracks made using Phil's track making tools. The Nooonan converted tracks and also John Black's Oulton Park did not use Phil's track compiler. As a result of this, they will not regroove using Phil's Racing Line tool. There are also some other cases where stuff goes weird for other tracks too, but that particular group don't ever seem to work, despite many hours trying.
Rob
Basically, it only works for tracks made using Phil's track making tools. The Nooonan converted tracks and also John Black's Oulton Park did not use Phil's track compiler. As a result of this, they will not regroove using Phil's Racing Line tool. There are also some other cases where stuff goes weird for other tracks too, but that particular group don't ever seem to work, despite many hours trying.
Rob
Thanks for the info Rob, seems like this is a no go then.
On the wider subject of generating cln files, this is something I'd like to look into, is it possible to do it from the track dat file alone or do you need the author's source files? I could try to spare the time to write a utility for generating cln's but I've got no knowledge of how all the files work.
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villeneuve27, on Apr 24 2012 - 05:10 AM, said:
Thanks for the info Rob, seems like this is a no go then.
On the wider subject of generating cln files, this is something I'd like to look into, is it possible to do it from the track dat file alone or do you need the author's source files? I could try to spare the time to write a utility for generating cln's but I've got no knowledge of how all the files work.
On the wider subject of generating cln files, this is something I'd like to look into, is it possible to do it from the track dat file alone or do you need the author's source files? I could try to spare the time to write a utility for generating cln's but I've got no knowledge of how all the files work.
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I am afraid that I do not know the precise details of the cln file structure, beyond that it is a sort of cut down version of the trk file. When making cln files I have a particular method that Phil showed me, which requires two specific programs that he also gave me to perform some of the required steps. I am afraid that I am not allowed to distribute these programs since they have the potential, if abused, to alter released trk files and so cheat if someone were that way minded.
For sure, a program which read a trk file, or even easier still, extracted the trk file from a dat file to make it even more automated, and then spat out a cln would be a potential time saver, rather than the current rather monotonous manual cln creation process.
However, there is also another caveat to this, that some track authors have expressly stated that they do not want clns to be made available for any of their tracks, which Phil and I have always respected. Phil's Racing Line tool, with a cln for any given track, has the potential to alter the track author's work in ways that they may not feel either necessary or historically accurate. In general, where a track creator is still active in the community I have always asked them before posting cln files that could be used to alter their work, and when someone has requested a specific cln file, I generally direct them to contact the original track author first and check that they are happy for this file to be released.
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For sure, a program which read a trk file, or even easier still, extracted the trk file from a dat file to make it even more automated, and then spat out a cln would be a potential time saver, rather than the current rather monotonous manual cln creation process.
However, there is also another caveat to this, that some track authors have expressly stated that they do not want clns to be made available for any of their tracks, which Phil and I have always respected. Phil's Racing Line tool, with a cln for any given track, has the potential to alter the track author's work in ways that they may not feel either necessary or historically accurate. In general, where a track creator is still active in the community I have always asked them before posting cln files that could be used to alter their work, and when someone has requested a specific cln file, I generally direct them to contact the original track author first and check that they are happy for this file to be released.
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Posted Apr 24 2012 - 08:19 AM
OK Rob thanks for explaining the situation. I didn't realise some of the track authors felt like that and I certainly don't want to offend any of them by going against their wishes.
It sounds as though it can be done but as you say if there is an element of trust involved it's possible to abuse that trust. Although my intentions are genuine, I'm not known in the editing or modding community so I wouldn't expect anyone to give me this information.
It sounds as though it can be done but as you say if there is an element of trust involved it's possible to abuse that trust. Although my intentions are genuine, I'm not known in the editing or modding community so I wouldn't expect anyone to give me this information.
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Posted Oct 27 2012 - 08:55 PM
Hi
I read about getting the cln files and the implications of posting them, but since the Can Am mod came out, and midOCA71 track is big part of it, I think a new racing file is needed. So I check out for a midOCA71 cln and is not available in any of the files provided.
So; is there possible to get it in order to re-groove the track ?
THX
Jack
I read about getting the cln files and the implications of posting them, but since the Can Am mod came out, and midOCA71 track is big part of it, I think a new racing file is needed. So I check out for a midOCA71 cln and is not available in any of the files provided.
So; is there possible to get it in order to re-groove the track ?
THX
Jack
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