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[tjc]

Many thanks Ginetto...

[Renard27]

Great track, thank you.

Edited by Renard27, Jan 23 2012 - 09:25 PM.

[JMF]

Nice track!

This is the first track I've been here to comment. I haven't actually raced the Formula Two cars yet but I've been having a ball with the 65 F1 cars and the 67 F1 cars are really a blast. The Ferrari 330 P4 is great to drive here too.

I'm glad you released this track. I recently made sure I had all the tracks for the 65, 66, 67, and 69 F1 seasons including the non-championship events and this was the only track missing.

Now it looks like the only tracks missing for all the mods are the Mugello road circuit and Villars-sur-Ollon for the GT mod. And the 1967 Formula Two Nürburgring Südschleife and non championship Karlskoga Motorstadion event.

You guys have really done some nice work. Thanks Ginetto! Very Impressive!

[M Needforspeed]

JMF, on Jan 26 2012 - 09:59 PM, said:

Nice track!


Now it looks like the only tracks missing for all the mods are the Mugello road circuit and Villars-sur-Ollon for the GT mod. And the 1967 Formula Two Nürburgring Südschleife and non championship Karlskoga Motorstadion event.

You guys have really done some nice work. Thanks Ginetto! Very Impressive!

Ollon Villars being an hill climb, I think it can 't be completed without CTD. I see you speak about the under 2 liters 1967 WSC.

Edited by M Needforspeed, Jan 27 2012 - 02:57 AM.

[Border Reiver]

M Needforspeed, on Jan 27 2012 - 02:55 AM, said:

JMF, on Jan 26 2012 - 09:59 PM, said:

Nice track!


Now it looks like the only tracks missing for all the mods are the Mugello road circuit and Villars-sur-Ollon for the GT mod. And the 1967 Formula Two Nürburgring Südschleife and non championship Karlskoga Motorstadion event.

You guys have really done some nice work. Thanks Ginetto! Very Impressive!

Ollon Villars being an hill climb, I think it can 't be completed without CTD. I see you speak about the under 2 liters 1967 WSC.

Hill climbs are possible, but you have to invent a fantasy return road to complete the loop and make it into a circuit. Even so, the circuit does not have to be drivable as a circuit, e.g. the GPL Rally tracks, some of which also have start and end points at very different altitudes.

Rob

[M Needforspeed]

Border Reiver, on Jan 27 2012 - 04:45 AM, said:

M Needforspeed, on Jan 27 2012 - 02:55 AM, said:

JMF, on Jan 26 2012 - 09:59 PM, said:

Nice track!


Now it looks like the only tracks missing for all the mods are the Mugello road circuit and Villars-sur-Ollon for the GT mod. And the 1967 Formula Two Nürburgring Südschleife and non championship Karlskoga Motorstadion event.

You guys have really done some nice work. Thanks Ginetto! Very Impressive!

Ollon Villars being an hill climb, I think it can 't be completed without CTD. I see you speak about the under 2 liters 1967 WSC.

Hill climbs are possible, but you have to invent a fantasy return road to complete the loop and make it into a circuit. Even so, the circuit does not have to be drivable as a circuit, e.g. the GPL Rally tracks, some of which also have start and end points at very different altitudes.

Rob

Rob,

thks . So GPL can register laps time at any start and end points ?

  Think the poor brain get the answer : the Ring trainer Utility does it !

Edited by M Needforspeed, Jan 27 2012 - 05:02 AM.

[Border Reiver]

M Needforspeed, on Jan 27 2012 - 04:59 AM, said:

Border Reiver, on Jan 27 2012 - 04:45 AM, said:

M Needforspeed, on Jan 27 2012 - 02:55 AM, said:

JMF, on Jan 26 2012 - 09:59 PM, said:

Nice track!


Now it looks like the only tracks missing for all the mods are the Mugello road circuit and Villars-sur-Ollon for the GT mod. And the 1967 Formula Two Nürburgring Südschleife and non championship Karlskoga Motorstadion event.

You guys have really done some nice work. Thanks Ginetto! Very Impressive!

Ollon Villars being an hill climb, I think it can 't be completed without CTD. I see you speak about the under 2 liters 1967 WSC.

Hill climbs are possible, but you have to invent a fantasy return road to complete the loop and make it into a circuit. Even so, the circuit does not have to be drivable as a circuit, e.g. the GPL Rally tracks, some of which also have start and end points at very different altitudes.

Rob

Rob,

thks . So GPL can register laps time at any start and end points ?

  Think the poor brain get the answer : the Ring trainer Utility does it !

Not quite, at least, I am not certain of that.

In the GPL Rally tracks, the car is placed in a section before the start line, effectively at the end of the previous lap. When you cross the start line the timer starts and then when you cross the same line again after your lap the timing stops and the lap gets recorded. The GPL Rally tracks were arranged so that although you crossed this timing line twice, crossing from the last track section back to the first track section, there was no on track connection between the start zone and the end zone and so you could not do lap after lap due to walls preventing you and catching the car after the lap was finished. For GPL Rally this was so that all laps always started with cold tyres, in the same conditions for all competitors.

I don't know how the ring trainer works I am afraid, I thought that all it did was move the starting point in the lap, but did not think that it did anything about timing. I would need to look at it, since if it does allow interval timing then that would be a way that proper hill climbs could be run and the fantasy return section of track would not then be needed.

Rob

[Burnsy865]

What about the way prib divides the track into sectors, maybe a utility that adds say the first three sectors and totals a laptime, thus the 4th sector could be the return road. I am not sure if it could be modified for more sectors so the hillclimbs could be done to accurate lengths or not. Just a thought, I really don't know how prib works internally myself.

[M Needforspeed]

Burnsy865, on Jan 27 2012 - 06:20 AM, said:

What about the way prib divides the track into sectors, maybe a utility that adds say the first three sectors and totals a laptime, thus the 4th sector could be the return road. I am not sure if it could be modified for more sectors so the hillclimbs could be done to accurate lengths or not. Just a thought, I really don't know how prib works internally myself.

if not perfect, Burnsy, your Pribluda suggestion wld be certainly a way to race hill climbs.

For instance, the start /finish of the hill climb wld be the snd sector ( on the Pribluda fourth , so the tyres temps aren't maximized,as it was for hill climbs), and the fantasy return road wld be the 3 others sectors.The Hill Climb track maker wld have the hard time consuming work to make a track  length four times longer than the real course, to be sure that 's the exact real hill climb length lap time that wld be recorded.

But to respect how hill climbs are run,no need for online race here. Everyone participating wld accept to stop the car at a red line on the asphalt, and start from there,
Perhaps, to be sure about the time when the racer joined the track, going on Igor or Vroc wld be better.So  the race manager wld control he drove only on the first sector prior to the race.

So the Pribluda first sector recorded lap time wld be a long one, racers using it starting from fictitious pits and then slow down and stop the car on the starting line,as on GPL Rally clearly explained by Rob.  

Then racers will have "only" to post the Pribluda data sheet and replay to extract the snd sector time, checked by the race manager
An alternative way, wld be a kind of Eliott Ness Buddy entering the track only to watch and control the racer.

Maybe I am only dreaming ? the nice thing is the number of races entrants wld have no limits ! (They are usually 200 + to enter real Hill Climbs)
and sorry for my english

Edited by M Needforspeed, Jan 27 2012 - 07:45 AM.

[Border Reiver]

For online it can actually work quite well too. I have raced in a number of online races that used a hill climb type format for Targa where cars start at defined intervals and the best lap time is scored. I know that during GPL Rally there were also online session run since drivers enjoyed watching each other from onboard in an online session and would take turns to try to improve on the best single lap time set.

I know that GPLRA also divides tracks into sectors when used to analyse replays, so that might also be an option? If GPLRA knew that a specific track was a hill climb it might be possible to get it to automatically process times on that track knowing for instance that the first half of the lap is what counts for the time and so the first two sectors should get added and it should ignore the last two sectors that were used to complete the lap so that the replay will load. It is very easy to make a track shape where the first half lap is the shape of the track to be used for the hill climb and then the second half is a simple loop of the exact same length simply used to complete the return path.

There is however no way to make AI work for hill climbs though, so this type of track would be only for offline solo running or online in special hill climb type events where a long qualifying session is set and then drivers take turns or maybe get a fixed number of attempts to set their best times in that session.

The short answer is that it is possible to do and probably it would be possible to arrange that either Prib or GPLRA could be modified to have a hillclimb mode so that it only looked at e.g. the first half lap and knew that the second half lap did not matter. Either method would still require processing after the event though to give the proper results since GPL only reports times from full laps, so it would still be required to compute a table of times only counting the first half laps from the server replay after the event.

Rob

Edited by Border Reiver, Jan 27 2012 - 07:21 AM.

[Ginetto]

JMF, on Jan 26 2012 - 09:59 PM, said:

Nice track!
...
I'm glad you released this track. I recently made sure I had all the tracks for the 65, 66, 67, and 69 F1 seasons including the non-championship events and this was the only track missing.

Now it looks like the only tracks missing for all the mods are the Mugello road circuit and Villars-sur-Ollon for the GT mod. And the 1967 Formula Two Nürburgring Südschleife and non championship Karlskoga Motorstadion event.

You guys have really done some nice work. Thanks Ginetto! Very Impressive!

Thanks
A new Zolder 1967 is coming out in brief too; it will replace with a more realistic layout the track now available.
This was a non championship F2 race in 67.
Hope you will like it as I do

[svenvangent]

Ginetto, on Jan 27 2012 - 07:53 AM, said:

JMF, on Jan 26 2012 - 09:59 PM, said:

Nice track!
...
I'm glad you released this track. I recently made sure I had all the tracks for the 65, 66, 67, and 69 F1 seasons including the non-championship events and this was the only track missing.

Now it looks like the only tracks missing for all the mods are the Mugello road circuit and Villars-sur-Ollon for the GT mod. And the 1967 Formula Two Nürburgring Südschleife and non championship Karlskoga Motorstadion event.

You guys have really done some nice work. Thanks Ginetto! Very Impressive!

Thanks
A new Zolder 1967 is coming out in brief too; it will replace with a more realistic layout the track now available.
This was a non championship F2 race in 67.
Hope you will like it as I do

hallo Ginetto ,
Would it be possible to see one or two no no no wait or three pictures of the new Zolder ?
greets  

[JMF]

[/quote]
Thanks
A new Zolder 1967 is coming out in brief too; it will replace with a more realistic layout the track now available.
This was a non championship F2 race in 67.
Hope you will like it as I do
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That's cool. Thanks for the information. I had just downloaded the Zolder track. I'll wait for the new one instead of installing the present one.

I apologize to everyone for starting something I didn't mean to. I didn't even think about GPL needing to be a circuit versus how a hillclimb is run. I've just been interested in driving all the tracks that all the different cars raced on. Villars-sur-Ollon is no big deal. I've got plenty to occupy me as it is. I haven't even begun to drive any of the fantasy tracks. It took me weeks of driving everyday to get decent at the Nurburgring and I've only completed one lap of the Targa Florio. Viva Nino! That one will keep me busy for a long time.

I'm new to all this but I'm starting to read about editing so maybe someday I can make some contributions.

GPL is great. I've been driving racing games and sims since World Circuit and this captures my imagination and entertains me much better than any others have and I gotten years of entertainment out of some of the others.