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[MECH]

I remember my first racing sim being a program that positioned a [-^-] between >         < while putting output to a printer.
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They're still cutting trees to replenish the paper stock i had been using up.



P.S. Anyone remeber Power F1 from Eidos/Kixx in 1996?
It looked better then GPL but collected dust once i had installed GPL  

[Rudy Dingemans]

SteveC43, on Nov 10 2011 - 06:09 AM, said:

I disagree Rudy. Indy 500 was the original sim written by Kaemmer. It came before everything else, so how did it not start everything?

Are you arguing it was not a sim? By the standards of the day, it was. Everything else was similar to Pole Position before that.

No, as I said, GPL started the genre of 'historic' simracing (imho). Indy 500? Since when did that come before everything? 'Revs' appeared almost a decade before, on the BBC and C64, and since it was the first pc program set up to primarily simulate real racing rather than going arcade (Pole Position), it does outdate everything else.

Indy, while good (played it quite a lot on the Amiga and it did point out Papyrus as a force to be reckoned with beside Geoff Crammond) simply isn't old enough to have started anything. It was a little milestone, sure, but Grand Prix 1 and 2 were going places at the time, too.

...And then came GPL, and everything changed for the better...

Regards, Rudy
(GPLRank: -40)

[isamu]

Pole Position was the very first and the one that started it all. Anyone who says different is delusional.

[SteveC43]

Rudy Dingemans, on Nov 10 2011 - 08:41 PM, said:

SteveC43, on Nov 10 2011 - 06:09 AM, said:

I disagree Rudy. Indy 500 was the original sim written by Kaemmer. It came before everything else, so how did it not start everything?

Are you arguing it was not a sim? By the standards of the day, it was. Everything else was similar to Pole Position before that.

No, as I said, GPL started the genre of 'historic' simracing (imho). Indy 500? Since when did that come before everything? 'Revs' appeared almost a decade before, on the BBC and C64, and since it was the first pc program set up to primarily simulate real racing rather than going arcade (Pole Position), it does outdate everything else.

Indy, while good (played it quite a lot on the Amiga and it did point out Papyrus as a force to be reckoned with beside Geoff Crammond) simply isn't old enough to have started anything. It was a little milestone, sure, but Grand Prix 1 and 2 were going places at the time, too.

...And then came GPL, and everything changed for the better...

Regards, Rudy
(GPLRank: -40)

Again I disagree. Indy500 came out in 1990, Grand Prix 1 in 1992. I'm betting you'll still put some stuff up to try and convince me, and then I'll put some more stuff up to convince you and in the end, we'll still not agree on anything. Therefore I agree to disagree and call it a day.

[John Woods]

A link to this page has been on gpllinks.org for some time:

The Evolution of Racing Simulators

Revs came out in 1985. Still, being first does not necessarily mean "getting it all started." Or that C64 qualifies as a PC?

Edited by John Woods, Nov 11 2011 - 09:25 PM.

[SteveC43]

I'm not even sure what "Revs" was. LOL!

I guess one man's historic is another man's, "huh?"


Edit: "REVS had a big fan base in England, but was virtually unheard of in the US"

Guess that explains why I've never heard of it.

Edited by SteveC43, Nov 11 2011 - 10:09 AM.

[Pete Gaimari]

John Woods, on Nov 11 2011 - 08:43 AM, said:

A link to this page has been on gpllinks.org for some time:

The Evolution of Racing SImulators

Revs came out in 1985. Still, being first does not necessarily mean "getting it all started." Or that C64 qualifies as a PC?

A lot of that was before my time. I didn't get a computer until 2000. I thought computers were for geeks. I guess i'm a geek now.

[Burnsy865]

Rudy is saying GPL started the Historic racing genre and I agree with him, Indy 500 was not historic, a lot of fun as I remember but it was a modern racing sim, we didn't get to race the roadsters around the Brickyard. Indy 500 to me was the first one to grab my attention because of the changes you could make to the car and to me a game should be judged by the amount of sleep you lose, I lost plenty in those days  

[Rudy Dingemans]

SteveC43, on Nov 11 2011 - 05:09 AM, said:

'Revs' appeared almost a decade before, on the BBC and C64, -----------

Again I disagree. Indy500 came out in 1990, Grand Prix 1 in 1992. I'm betting you'll still put some stuff up to try and convince me, and then I'll put some more stuff up to convince you and in the end, we'll still not agree on anything. Therefore I agree to disagree and call it a day.

Agreed, and Revs still came before anything else in simracing (Pole Position definitely doesn't count as a sim, no matter how primitive - for one thing, it had no cockpit view, after all).

[M Needforspeed]

in the list of John link, some are certainly missing.

Monaco Grand Prix (the big title on the CD rom)  was depicting a kind of Formula 1 cars with fantasy drivers like Vouellette, Mambito ect ..;, but came with real tracks such Zeltweg.Had my first driving sim experience using keyboard, with it. It  was released during the nineties
Played it at my girlfriend home, this game was offered with a Packard Bell PC I found on her office desk
I don 't remember the editor name of that one

Edited by M Needforspeed, Nov 12 2011 - 10:41 AM.

[M Needforspeed]

finally, it was an Ubisoft release;Fantasy drivers, had their real life counterpart, it seems ...

http://membres.multi...saka/mona2.html

Now, I am thinking it was perhaps a OEM limited free version of F1 RACING SIMULATION, released in 1997.Someone here could confirm ?

Edited by M Needforspeed, Nov 12 2011 - 12:13 PM.

[isamu]

Rudy Dingemans, on Nov 11 2011 - 06:00 PM, said:

(Pole Position definitely doesn't count as a sim, no matter how primitive - for one thing, it had no cockpit view, after all).

There is a secret code that allows you to drive from inside the cockpit view in Pole Position.

[isamu]

Coming in just a coupe weeks, gentlemen. No one else excited?

[SPBHM]

isamu, on Oct 08 2012 - 05:32 AM, said:

Coming in just a coupe weeks, gentlemen. No one else excited?

I'm pretty interested.
it inspire me to put together this video "comparing" GPL (with mods) with the laser scanned Mosport

lotus 49 should be fun on this track.

[Pete Gaimari]

Getting close.