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#31 fortine_oo

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Posted Apr 26 2010 - 02:53 AM

View Postjgf, on Apr 23 2010 - 04:36 PM, said:

...(Unfortunately there are some tracks at which you'll never get the AI to function well.  The fictional Butibamba, for example, is great fun in a GTP car, but the AI are all over the place in the esses and will rear-end you mercilessly in the banked hairpin.)




Getting ai to function well is not impossible, it just takes a lot of time. Getting ai to drive a course like a human player is not impossible, it just takes more time. It is almost impossible to get ai to drive a course like a human player at every spot on a roadcourse, but by applying some tricks you can get it pretty close (or at least tolerable).

The most important factor is having a good race.lp for the ai to follow. It is best to have a race.lp that was made at racing speed because the ai will drive that line very close to how it was driven when it was made (using reflap). When a race.lp is made without regard to correct speed/braking, the ai interpret the data of the track, via the exe, and intepolate the resulting actions rather than applying the data of an actual race lap. (It's a little more complicated than this short explanation, but this is the crux of it.) The track.ini is just a way to fine tune the ai to the race.lp. That's why you'll seldom get very good results by just importing track.ini sections sections from another track.

Judging from the look of the the raceline for ButiBamBa, it looks to me like the race.lp was not made "at speed". I still found it works pretty good. The min/maxrace lp's are a little close together at a couple of places which leads to crowding and collisions. The min/maxpanic lp's could have been spaced farther from the min/maxrace lp's and that would give some additional avoidance space. The rear-ending is partly an exe problem, and a track.ini adjustment could help that. [ai_panic_decel= higher value, and ai_squeeze_pcnt = 0.10/0.15 (although with the close spacing of the supporting lp's it may not help).]
The other fix requires altering the ptf, changing asphalt default values to concrete values 0.005 to 0.010 higher than the asphalt values at braking zones where the ai are able to outbrake the player. Sometimes, especially in gtp, the ai can outbrake the player no matter the ini values ( often happens at the end of an 'accelerating straight' to a heavy braking corner ). So, when the ai brake correctly (you don't rear-end them and they don't rear-end you) for most situations/corners, but at one or two they just have more braking ability and brake much later than the player has to, you raise the grip level for that braking zone. The ai don't gain as much benefit as the player when there are small discrepencies between asphalt and concrete values. The higher grip braking zone lets the player brake later, provides better stopping power, and allows a quicker return to the throttle, thereby reducing the chance of getting rear-ended. Of course, this helps more when the player is more proficient at braking.

More detailed ai creation information can be found here:  http://www.nrtracks.com/nr2k3.html

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#32 Stefan Roess

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Posted May 14 2010 - 01:57 PM

Hi,

I hope someone can help me.
I did a fresh install of NR2003, installed the Patch 1.2.0.1 and the v1.2.0.1 Securom Fix.
But I get an error message, that I don`t have the right to access NR2003.exe.
I even get this without installing any patch.
See screenshot

Windows XP Pro, SP3 here.

Any ideas?

Cheers
Stefan

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Edited by Stefan Roess, May 14 2010 - 01:58 PM.


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Posted May 14 2010 - 03:47 PM

View PostStefan Roess, on May 14 2010 - 01:57 PM, said:

Hi,

I hope someone can help me.
I did a fresh install of NR2003, installed the Patch 1.2.0.1 and the v1.2.0.1 Securom Fix.
But I get an error message, that I don`t have the right to access NR2003.exe.
I even get this without installing any patch.
See screenshot

Windows XP Pro, SP3 here.

Any ideas?

Cheers
Stefan

Hi Stefan,

I am also using XP Pro, SP3 and, in spite of having to instal NR2003 again a couple of times, never had that problem. However, I never installed other patch than the 1.2.0.1.. I know of the existance of the Securom Fix but never used it.

Btw, did you hear of the no_cd patch?

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#34 jgf

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Posted May 14 2010 - 11:36 PM

Not certain, but doesn't XP Pro treat files much like Vista?  Check for permissions, admin rights, etc.  Also XP Pro has DEP, which senses is that something is trying to modify a registered exe and prevents it.

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Posted May 25 2010 - 09:41 AM

View PostStefan Roess, on May 14 2010 - 01:57 PM, said:

Hi,

I hope someone can help me.
I did a fresh install of NR2003, installed the Patch 1.2.0.1 and the v1.2.0.1 Securom Fix.
But I get an error message, that I don`t have the right to access NR2003.exe.
I even get this without installing any patch.
See screenshot

Windows XP Pro, SP3 here.

Any ideas?

Cheers
Stefan


Solved:
Kaspersky Internet Security blocked the NR2003.exe (and GTP). :)

Edited by Stefan Roess, May 25 2010 - 09:41 AM.


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Posted Aug 27 2010 - 07:46 AM

View PostArturo Pereira, on May 14 2010 - 03:47 PM, said:

View PostStefan Roess, on May 14 2010 - 01:57 PM, said:

Hi,

I hope someone can help me.
I did a fresh install of NR2003, installed the Patch 1.2.0.1 and the v1.2.0.1 Securom Fix.
But I get an error message, that I don`t have the right to access NR2003.exe.
I even get this without installing any patch.
See screenshot

Windows XP Pro, SP3 here.

Any ideas?

Cheers
Stefan

Hi Stefan,

I am also using XP Pro, SP3 and, in spite of having to instal NR2003 again a couple of times, never had that problem. However, I never installed other patch than the 1.2.0.1.. I know of the existance of the Securom Fix but never used it.

Btw, did you hear of the no_cd patch?

Hi arturo, could u pls help this guys here at srd... it's all about lemans2008 ai behave http://www.simracing...html#post215879

thxs in advance!!!

#37 fortine_oo

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Posted Aug 27 2010 - 04:56 PM

[/quote]

Hi arturo, could u pls help this guys here at srd... it's all about lemans2008 ai behave [url="http://www.simracingdesign.com/nr2003-general-discussion/23128-major-problems-gtp-le-mans-2006-a.html#post215879"]http://www.simracing...html#post215879[/url]

thxs in advance!!!
[/quote]


At RSC forums, before the last big crash, someone, it might have been jgf, was addressing some problems with Lemans 2004 (or 2006 or 2008). Those threads are long gone, but perhaps those involved will recall what was addressed, and the outcome.

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Posted Aug 27 2010 - 05:42 PM

Can't speak for the 2008 track, I use "bsarthe"  (Lemans 67), but it seems many of the Lemans tracks had AI trouble and there were numerous "patches" (everything from basic track.ini edits to full lp file updates).  But the major problem seemed to be the AI grip was too high (on bsarthe the AI would actually bounce high into the air, and often fall on top of you).

But first the obvious question - are you using the GTP version of the track (http://srmz.net/inde...?showtopic=4960)?  or the N2k3 version?

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Posted Aug 28 2010 - 06:57 AM

View Postnasdriv87, on Aug 27 2010 - 07:46 AM, said:

View PostArturo Pereira, on May 14 2010 - 03:47 PM, said:

View PostStefan Roess, on May 14 2010 - 01:57 PM, said:

Hi,

I hope someone can help me.
I did a fresh install of NR2003, installed the Patch 1.2.0.1 and the v1.2.0.1 Securom Fix.
But I get an error message, that I don`t have the right to access NR2003.exe.
I even get this without installing any patch.
See screenshot

Windows XP Pro, SP3 here.

Any ideas?

Cheers
Stefan

Hi Stefan,

I am also using XP Pro, SP3 and, in spite of having to instal NR2003 again a couple of times, never had that problem. However, I never installed other patch than the 1.2.0.1.. I know of the existance of the Securom Fix but never used it.

Btw, did you hear of the no_cd patch?

Hi arturo, could u pls help this guys here at srd... it's all about lemans2008 ai behave http://www.simracing...html#post215879

thxs in advance!!!

Sure. I will see what I can do :)

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Posted Aug 28 2010 - 07:59 AM

I didn't find the major ai racing problems that n310 alluded to. The race.lp seems to have a glitch at the chicane before pit entrance. While the ai check up, and it's a pain for the player, it certainly doesn't cause any major catastrophe among the ai.
There are entry and exit pitting issues, and the only real fix are new pit lp's and track.ini adjustments.
(see attachments)
I only checked for ai driving cleanly into and out of the pits, not for pitting infractions (if there are any).

It seems n310 didn't supply all the information.
After checking it all out and fixing the pitting, I ran a full pace for the heck of it. Surprise, that's where the trouble occurs. Once the race starts there's no problem.
By setting the X-sections to absolute mode, I got rid of some of the ai slowing and stopping, but it seems that I can't keep the absolute mode at all locations (Posted Image ).
I give up. Just don't run a full pace lap or yellows.

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Posted Jan 22 2011 - 08:06 PM

I'm coming in on this Sim and this particular mod cold. Is there no current link to download the GTP Mod?

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Posted Jan 22 2011 - 09:36 PM

Try http://www.racesimce...CAR-Racing-2003

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Posted Jan 23 2011 - 02:07 AM

Thanks for the link. :thumbup:

For anyone one else looking for this mod and doesn't want to become a member of a site to download the GTP Mod, try HERE.

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Posted Aug 27 2011 - 04:23 AM

Hi guys

I have a little Problem. My Original CD of Nascar Racing 2003 is full of scratches an now I can't play the GTP Mod, because my computer won't recognize the CD anymore. So I looked for the no-cd patch, but I can't find it on the site http://fsbracing.com/Downloads.html.

Can anyone help me where to find it? Thanks.
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Posted Aug 27 2011 - 03:49 PM

View Postyves.staub, on Aug 27 2011 - 04:23 AM, said:

Hi guys

I have a little Problem. My Original CD of Nascar Racing 2003 is full of scratches an now I can't play the GTP Mod, because my computer won't recognize the CD anymore. So I looked for the no-cd patch, but I can't find it on the site http://fsbracing.com/Downloads.html.

Can anyone help me where to find it? Thanks.
You have a PM  :wave:
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