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Posted Jan 29 2010 - 04:34 AM

Remco,

   OK, so calibration at home, step by step.I have seen there are many things to calibrate  starting from factory settings.Some on the forum have got optimal results from calibration tools.
  If only for game, the price for the HD 82 wld be too much, but I will profit to look at movies in HD , too.That ' s why I go for this range of price, though I am aware the progress in results won 't be certainly proportionnal to the price ! And I haven' t invest much for TV in the past, cause I barely watch it 1 hour per week

    From your plan , you didn 't install the VP on an horizontal position.So,I suppose you built a customized support with an angle.Can you give me the number of degrees you set the VP from the horizontal ? ( The HD 82 has a lens shift,but put in reverse position on ceiling, the max angle possible won 't do the trick, and like you I 'll need to install it leaning on the floor direction )  

    Thks

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Posted Jan 29 2010 - 12:28 PM

Hey Michel,

Well, the angle at which the projector is placed would of course vary with the height it's placed at and it's distance to the screen.
In that light, my setup's numbers a more or less irrelevant.

What you should do is start thinking about a mechanism you could build to angle your projector at just the right angle; as well as level.
You'll need to be able to set the projected angle to "movie mode", i.e. level. Same goes for the screen. It should be raised and totally upright when displaying movies on it.

My projector is hanging from the ceiling so I've had to be quite inventive to make it's pitch adjustable. I've tried a couple of solutions and settled for a solid structure allowing for 2 modes: racing and movies. It used to be stepless to accomodate both GPL's widescreen image and rFactor/RBR which use all of the screen. But this new projector has lens shift, so I've simplified things. Racing mode now angles the image aligned with the bottom of the screen when lens shift is 0. For GPL I bring it down to -50.
In "movie mode" the projector hangs level and further back to increase the image size.
In your case, you could simply bolt the projector to a hinged shelf which is adjustable by a stepped support; from "racing" to "movie mode".

As for the screen, that's also suspended from the ceiling but it can be lowered because I attached rope to it on both sides :D
The bottom latches onto the base of my raceframe which is pulled back a little to pull the screen into the desired angle.


I found some old pics on an old forum which might interest you :)

Old frame with old ass wheel and now retired shifter which I built myself. Also, old 4:3 beamer with oversized car. I'm now using an improved frame, G25 and an all steel shifter. Oh yeah, and a FullHD widescreen projector of course lol. But, you get the idea :D

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Posted Jan 29 2010 - 01:58 PM

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  Yes, I won 't get the same angle than yours, but it will certainly be very close, and the lens shift will give me some margin for the final adjustment.I didn 't know that the 8000 LV had a Lens Shift, too.


I was thinking of a support on a moving axle, that would clip in various positions, including horizontal for the movies.

  For the screen, I was rather going for a pantograph one, pulling it from a box placed on the floor just in front of the frame.The advantage wld be once I finish playing, I push the screen in the box, and I can 't see it on the room. But I see it can be a pb for watching movies, with the screen still in diagonal .
  The screen fixed with two ropes on each side is an alternative only if it can be hidden easily.

  Thanks for your pics.If you could post the same kind of shots  of your present install, it would be great.I suppose with the HD 1920,you get a GPL  larger size,for the same cockpit size settings, by now ?

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Posted Jan 29 2010 - 02:05 PM

It's actually smaller now! Well, the car is. Back then I was going for size, but later I figured out it looked way better if the car had the correct proportions! That is taken care of by the widescreen projector.

The width of the projected image is a little wider, but there is more peripheral vision (wider FOV, I use 90 in GPL) so the car appears smaller. Because the pixel density is 60% larger than with my previous projector, it looks much much better. True High Definition.

I will try to take pics later tonight. Usually they come out all wrong though because you need stereoscopic vision to complete the illusion :P

Edited by Remco Hitman, Jan 29 2010 - 02:07 PM.


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Posted Jan 29 2010 - 02:13 PM

Thks Remco ;Smaller, but that s better finally, this peripherical vision .What is good is I feel on your pics, the Honda cockpit was already quite well defined, but it is true that I am not in the room.

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Posted Jan 29 2010 - 02:20 PM

I forgot a link on the Speedway wheel and pedals that I use.You wanted more info on them.Just click on the british flag on the second page.

An aircraft standard quality made material, really, with a 340 ° lock to lock, a leather rim, and all alloy and copper spare parts inside.

  I have assigned the two paddles as simple buttons inside GPL, as I use the Act Labs.

  http://www.speedway-joysticks.com/

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Posted Jan 29 2010 - 02:56 PM

View PostRemco Hitman, on Jan 29 2010 - 02:05 PM, said:

The width of the projected image is a little wider, but there is more peripheral vision (wider FOV, I use 90 in GPL) so the car appears smaller. Because the pixel density is 60% larger than with my previous projector, it looks much much better. True High Definition.

I will try to take pics later tonight. Usually they come out all wrong though because you need stereoscopic vision to complete the illusion :P

Remco, I'd be interested to see pictures of your new setup with the wider FOV. Everyone has there own preferences and it may well look different when sat in front of it, but those pics you've posted give a very elongated image of the car. It looks like the front wheels are way out ahead of you, when in reality they would be just in front of you to the left and right. In fact they would only be in your peripheral vision if you were looking dead ahead.

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Posted Jan 29 2010 - 03:02 PM

Exactly. It does indeed look much more convincing when sat in the cockpit. The gauges appear to be right behind the steering wheel, putting the rest of the image into perspective. It helps immensely with car placement, it just feels right to put the front wheel dead on the apex :)

You're all invited to come and try it out. Now thát would be cool  :clap2:

Edited by Remco Hitman, Jan 29 2010 - 03:02 PM.


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Posted Jan 29 2010 - 03:02 PM

Yes, on your 4 / 3 former install, I have the same feeling than Ken, wheels too much far ahead

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Posted Jan 29 2010 - 03:25 PM

Esthetic or driving efficiency, we will have to choose.Thks for the tip for the Apex,Remco.I feel must be more efficient for corners .

    I was wondering if  67 drivers saw the cockpit like us , in GPL, with the default FOV. Gone to Lyon in November, was at an historic cars and motor racing expo.A1968 Matra MS 11 V 12 chassis was there. I could install inside to cockpit, and take shots from the driver view.I set the camera zoom to get what the human eye can really see.Here the result.

      It seems Papyrus has done a very good job,as wheels and gauges distance are quite matching with reality.Above all on the second shot,what we see match what we see in GPL when  playing at 1920 X 1080, with the gear level just upon the bottom line !!

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Posted Jan 29 2010 - 04:25 PM

Okay here's the current driver's eye view :)

Actual quality utterly destroyed by the camera, obviously  :shock:

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Edited by Remco Hitman, Jan 29 2010 - 04:31 PM.


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Posted Jan 29 2010 - 05:34 PM

View PostRemco Hitman, on Jan 29 2010 - 04:25 PM, said:

Okay here's the current driver's eye view :)

Actual quality utterly destroyed by the camera, obviously  :shock:

Well that looks more in proportion, and much more like you are sitting in the car, rather than on the back of it!! :)

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Posted Feb 04 2010 - 05:34 PM

A quick heads-up if anyone was considering HDMI: my projector cannot display GPL menus via HDMI because the resolution isn't properly supported. DVI is not a problem. I don't know how other brands handle these things but for me at least it doesn't work.

I buggered my DVI cable by accidentally melting it over a hot lamp so I went out a bought an HDMI cable. While I think the image is clearer now, I cannot navigate GPL's menus atm. :idunno:

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Posted Feb 04 2010 - 11:05 PM

View PostRemco Hitman, on Feb 04 2010 - 05:34 PM, said:

A quick heads-up if anyone was considering HDMI: my projector cannot display GPL menus via HDMI because the resolution isn't properly supported. DVI is not a problem. I don't know how other brands handle these things but for me at least it doesn't work.

I buggered my DVI cable by accidentally melting it over a hot lamp so I went out a bought an HDMI cable. While I think the image is clearer now, I cannot navigate GPL's menus atm. :idunno:

Do the menus work with the higher resolution menu display mode?

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Posted Feb 04 2010 - 11:51 PM

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Do the menus work with the higher resolution menu display mode?


Hey man, I was going to PM you about that :)
I want to try that but I can't find that file anymore.
Failed to get it to work last time...

Could you send it to me again?  :wave:

Edited by Remco Hitman, Feb 04 2010 - 11:57 PM.


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Posted Feb 05 2010 - 01:05 AM

View PostRemco Hitman, on Feb 04 2010 - 11:51 PM, said:

View Postbrr, on Feb 04 2010 - 11:05 PM, said:


Do the menus work with the higher resolution menu display mode?


Hey man, I was going to PM you about that :)
I want to try that but I can't find that file anymore.
Failed to get it to work last time...

Could you send it to me again?  :wave:

Email sent. The patch forces a 1280x1024 display mode, but the menu graphics are the same-old 640x480.

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Posted Feb 05 2010 - 12:38 PM

View Postbrr, on Feb 05 2010 - 01:05 AM, said:


Email sent. The patch forces a 1280x1024 display mode, but the menu graphics are the same-old 640x480.


BRILLIANT MATE  :clap2:

That patch works perfectly, projector gets it and menus are nicely readable.

Can't thank you enough Petteri :)

Edited by Remco Hitman, Feb 05 2010 - 12:39 PM.


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Posted Feb 05 2010 - 02:21 PM

hm, not wanting to hijack, any chance for a 1920x1080 ver? though i'd settle for 1280xsomething too. as long as it isn't 640x480 that barfs up my desktop..

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Posted Feb 05 2010 - 02:38 PM

View Postsky, on Feb 05 2010 - 02:21 PM, said:

hm, not wanting to hijack, any chance for a 1920x1080 ver? though i'd settle for 1280xsomething too. as long as it isn't 640x480 that barfs up my desktop..

I think only a couple non-widescreen resolutions work, the rasteriser limits this in some way. The menus are not scaled up, so you'll end up with a 640x480 menu in a 1280x1024 display mode.

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Posted Feb 21 2010 - 05:29 PM

For Remco, Ken , Brr


A busy schedule left me few time to look after my new PC components, that is the first step before buying the VP itself.

  I would like to know if those should be enough to run at a steady 60 FPS GPL ( with all GFX settings to max quality ), as Remco warned.

Case :Cool Master ELITE 335–

Power supply : Antec 500 Watts

Motherboard : ASUS M4A77TD PRO - AMD Chipset ATX - AM3 -
2600 MHz HT - 16Go DDR3 SDRAM 1333Mhz - 1 Ultra ATA/133 (ATA-7) –
6 Serial ATA/300 - 7.1 – RAID 0, RAID 1 - 6 USB2 – Multi GPU CrossfireX

  sound chipset controller : VIA 7.1 – PCIE-E + 3 PCI – REF B997062 CPU REF B960536 .But, to be disactivated, and replaced (thks to the various advices of happy SRMZ GPL ers users) by a....

   .... Creative X Fi Xtreme gamer ( I have already the 5.1 DDT 2200 Cambridge soundwork install)

  

  CPU : AMD Athlon II X3 400e 2,20 GHz - Tri-Core – 45w (recommended by my PC shop technician , because it work at cool temperatures, unlike others AMD, in his opinion )

  RAM :  4Go x DDR3/1333 DIMM (2x2go) ECC - KVR1333D3E9S/2GI

  HDD :2 x 250 Go Ultra SATA Seagate ( for a dual boot XP pro or Win 7 )

  DVD RW : 20X SATA

  GFX : ZOTAC ZT-275E3KG-FSP GeForce GTX 275 -PCI Express 2.0 x16 - 896Mo GDDR3 SDRAM REF (W830179).With TWO DVI connections.

  

   Thanks for your appreciation and advices, before I fix my definitive choice.

Michel :rolleyes:

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