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#61 Bob Simpson

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Posted Oct 28 2011 - 07:03 PM

Our league, VOR, had a GT mod race practice at Hockenheim67 (hockenhm) and found that there were several people who had discos/ctds at or near the Sachs corner (the sharp left going into the stadium area).

It seems that it's the GT mod mostly as this doesn't happen with other mods.

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Posted Oct 29 2011 - 01:02 AM

I think that's an FB file problem; the forward back distance view file is in this case a single line of 1200mt. front and 500mt. back, very bad one if you ask me.
The SC are very high in poly count so in the stadium all those additional polys are drawn and here comes the ctd, freeze or whatever.
With the program FB adjust by Strava you can fix that quickly by changing those values to 600 forward and 300 backward; even if the best thing would be making the FB file 175 lines long (one every 39.01 mt. or so) but that requires a rebuild so is not quick :P
I attach here the changed 3do so you guys can try out with the SC and see if the problem persist.
Ciao! :wave:

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Posted Oct 29 2011 - 05:54 AM

Thanks!

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Posted Nov 18 2011 - 05:24 AM

View PostBob Simpson, on Jun 16 2009 - 11:43 AM, said:

Our league has a list of tracks to be avoided.

High Risk (To be avoided for points races)

Mallory Park - Easter Trophy (mallory)
Montjuic Parque (to be re-evaluated with new version)
Oulton Park V2
Oran Park
Paul Ricard 1988
Sepang
Wigram Airfield 1968 (65mod + 66 mod so far)
Zeltweg 1970


Medium Risk (To be tested in fun races)

Bathurst Mt. Panorama
Blue Mountain (65mod?)
Croft
Daytona RC (freeze is a car cuts in front of you at the chicane: clipping bug.)
Goodwood
Imola
Indy 67
Pic Long
Suzuka

Anyone else know of problematic tracks or have a better idea about the above tracks?

The only one i can hopefully remove from the list is Bathurst mount panorama, as i have already started a revised verion, it will be called Conrod, sub title is King of the mountain, Peter Brock Memorial trophy. It is based on the current layout which includes "the chase" a kink at the end onf Conrod straight and concrete walls all the way around. I live only 10 minutes from the track and I drive it every week for work. Peter brock was a legend winning the 1000km race 9 times, several times driving the whole race on his own before co-drivers became compulsory. As soon as i have a version i am willing to release for beta testing by the public i will be posting it up for advise, comment and some help from the excellent builders on this forum, as its the first track i have tried to complete. I am sure with some help we can get it right for everyone to enjoy.

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Posted Jun 08 2012 - 09:06 PM

I think that we can add Donnybrooke to this list.  Over two days we had many discos and server lock-ups with this track.

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Posted Jan 09 2014 - 10:26 PM

View PostGinetto, on Oct 29 2011 - 01:02 AM, said:

I think that's an FB file problem; the forward back distance view file is in this case a single line of 1200mt. front and 500mt. back, very bad one if you ask me.
The SC are very high in poly count so in the stadium all those additional polys are drawn and here comes the ctd, freeze or whatever.
With the program FB adjust by Strava you can fix that quickly by changing those values to 600 forward and 300 backward; even if the best thing would be making the FB file 175 lines long (one every 39.01 mt. or so) but that requires a rebuild so is not quick Posted Image
I attach here the changed 3do so you guys can try out with the SC and see if the problem persist.
Ciao! :wave:

This seems to fix the Hockenheim problem - Thanks Ginetto

Edited by Bob Simpson, Jan 09 2014 - 10:26 PM.


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Posted May 19 2014 - 03:41 AM

updated: Snetterton 67 -> Freezese with 65 and 66 mods and most likely also with other mods.

Ginetto, in case you should ever get bored ;) :D maybe you could have a look?

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Posted May 19 2014 - 09:29 AM

In Mybroga we raced several times in Montjuic, Sepang and Imola without problems. We usually use another version of Indy (folder "ims") and never had problems there.

The single track in which we had to cancel one race (out of three, each one for a different division) was in Paul Ricard. A real shame because it's a fantastic track to race... Would be great to have some solution for that track (... and a long-straight version... :P ).

Cheers, Marcos.

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Posted Mar 26 2015 - 01:49 PM

Added as fixed :)

Hockenheimring 1967 -> CTDs, Freezes, Discos, ... (various mods)
Fix 1: CTD View Fix by Ginetto: http://srmz.net/inde...t=60#entry68218
(SRMZ thread "Fixing buggy tracks - particularly Indy 67")
Fix 2: CTD Cam Fix by Tato: http://srmz.net/inde...355
(SRMZ thread "Crashtodesktop External Camera 1 Or 2")

to our "GPL Track Blacklist" thread at GPLRACER forum:
http://forum.gplrace...topic.php?id=50

Edited by Stefan Roess, Mar 26 2015 - 01:51 PM.


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Posted Mar 26 2015 - 03:32 PM

thank you! :)

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Posted Mar 26 2015 - 05:32 PM

I'm re-discovering this thread.

Did any other league race on Paul Ricard? I really would like to add that track to the candidates-list for online seasons.

I was looking gplracer blacklist. In Mybroga we raced several times on Clermont Ferrand 65 and Montjuic, and one time (at least myself) in Snetterton67 with F2 mod. In the former two tracks we hadn't problems, so I guess maybe they have just isolated problems. In Snetterton I had a screen freeze but I think I was the single one in three simultaneous races there.
Considering that all those three tracks are great ones and that problems seem to be isolated, I wouldn't let them outside any season due to those problems...

Cheers, Marcos.

Edited by mcmirande, Mar 26 2015 - 05:41 PM.


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Posted Mar 27 2015 - 04:45 AM

View Postmcmirande, on Mar 26 2015 - 05:32 PM, said:

I'm re-discovering this thread.

Did any other league race on Paul Ricard? I really would like to add that track to the candidates-list for online seasons.

I was looking gplracer blacklist. In Mybroga we raced several times on Clermont Ferrand 65 and Montjuic, and one time (at least myself) in Snetterton67 with F2 mod. In the former two tracks we hadn't problems, so I guess maybe they have just isolated problems. In Snetterton I had a screen freeze but I think I was the single one in three simultaneous races there.
Considering that all those three tracks are great ones and that problems seem to be isolated, I wouldn't let them outside any season due to those problems...

Cheers, Marcos.

Hi Marcos

We only had problems with 69 mod (with an older version of the mod, not with the latest 69x version of the mod) at Clermont Ferrand long time ago.
So things might have improved meanwhile.
I think we never had with 65 mod. I also would put Clermont on the schedule again at any time. :)

The problems we had with Montijuic have also been long time ago and only with lower end PCs. I guess with more powerfull PCs of today it shouldn`t be much of a problem anymore.

Snetterton 67 is difficult to say. Sometimes freezes, sometimes not. Anyway I also would put it on the schedule again at any time.


Sometimes it is difficult to say what really causes CTD, freezes, ... for certain mods and tracks. :book:


I have no infos on Paul Ricard. I guess I never raced on that track with GPL. :simmadown:

Cheers
Stefan

Edited by Stefan Roess, Mar 27 2015 - 04:46 AM.


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Posted Mar 27 2015 - 05:34 AM

I raced twice on Paul Ricard quite long ago with 67 and 69 cars, I was crashed to desktop on both occasion.

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Posted Mar 27 2015 - 08:41 AM

Thanks Stefan and Jani

I'm reading now that Bob also had Paul Ricard in his high risk list... Evidently it should be avoided for online races...

Cheers, Marcos.

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Posted Mar 27 2015 - 11:01 AM

View PostStefan Roess, on Mar 27 2015 - 04:45 AM, said:

View Postmcmirande, on Mar 26 2015 - 05:32 PM, said:

I'm re-discovering this thread.

Did any other league race on Paul Ricard? I really would like to add that track to the candidates-list for online seasons.

I was looking gplracer blacklist. In Mybroga we raced several times on Clermont Ferrand 65 and Montjuic, and one time (at least myself) in Snetterton67 with F2 mod. In the former two tracks we hadn't problems, so I guess maybe they have just isolated problems. In Snetterton I had a screen freeze but I think I was the single one in three simultaneous races there.
Considering that all those three tracks are great ones and that problems seem to be isolated, I wouldn't let them outside any season due to those problems...

Cheers, Marcos.

Hi Marcos

We only had problems with 69 mod (with an older version of the mod, not with the latest 69x version of the mod) at Clermont Ferrand long time ago.
So things might have improved meanwhile.
I think we never had with 65 mod. I also would put Clermont on the schedule again at any time. :)

The problems we had with Montijuic have also been long time ago and only with lower end PCs. I guess with more powerfull PCs of today it shouldn`t be much of a problem anymore.

Snetterton 67 is difficult to say. Sometimes freezes, sometimes not. Anyway I also would put it on the schedule again at any time.


Sometimes it is difficult to say what really causes CTD, freezes, ... for certain mods and tracks. :book:


I have no infos on Paul Ricard. I guess I never raced on that track with GPL. :simmadown:

Cheers
Stefan

Yes, I think for Clermont Ferrand,  the problem with the original 69 mod was a question of PC power;

With full grid and all pushed  at Max, I never experienced any problem . And it was with an older software than the one I have now.

Edited by M Needforspeed, Mar 27 2015 - 11:02 AM.


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Posted Jan 13 2016 - 09:43 AM

Re-discovering this thread again...

UKGPL had a 66 race at Clermont last night with a mass disco of 7 drivers :yikesss:
Several ctd's were also reported in Quali...

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12m59.240s
Phil Thornton66 gets disconnected while racing in position 10.

12m59.240s
Fra66 Molteni gets disconnected while racing in position 11.

12m59.240s
Andreas Gebhardt gets disconnected while racing in position 7.

12m59.240s
Axel Cookie gets disconnected while racing in position 5.

12m59.240s
Tim Muttram66 gets disconnected while racing in position 1.

12m59.240s
Bastian Grupp gets disconnected while racing in position 12.

12m59.240s
Sam Blood gets disconnected while racing in position 2.

As we have a 69X race scheduled for coming Sunday we are worried to race there!

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Posted Jan 13 2016 - 09:58 AM

Ukgpl has chosen to run at 60fps, and online problems of this kind have become frequent.

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Posted Jan 13 2016 - 11:53 AM

Are these CTDs or actual freezes Axel?

With ADC we had a lot of freezes in our recent 69X races (at two different tracks) where the screen stops but the revs continue to rise and the force feedback pulls to one side. The only way out is to hard reset the PC. With ADC we are running 36 fps.

In our freezes it also seemed like we would have a group of people all go in the same freeze, usually as a group who were in one area of the track near to each other.

I am not really sure what the way forward with this is, since they seem to be more frequent than they used to be.

Rob

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Posted Mar 30 2016 - 01:20 PM

Is there a convenient way to create a database of tracks with issues?

It would need the following to be helpful

Track Name
Mod Used
Number Racers
Frame Rate
Race Type (novice, inter-short, etc)
Number laps in race
Number of disconnects
Other Problems
Repaired? Y/N
Repaired By
Link to original
Link to repair

I've done a couple recent problematic tracks for my LoPeN league - and I see Ginetto has fixed a few as well.  the purpose of the database would be to allow all the problem tracks and their status to be in one place rather than the need to skim this thread every time to find the track patch.

Ideally any member would be able to add a line of data to the list, but only people who are actively correcting tracks should be able to modify the records and patches.

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Posted Mar 31 2016 - 09:14 AM

Great idea Lou!

I don`t know if you have seen the "GPL Track Blacklist" at GPLRACER league forum?
http://forum.gplrace...topic.php?id=50
-> scroll down for the English version

I hope this is of some help.
For some tracks you can see the mod we used.

I will have a look on my harddrive and in the PMs trying to find out which have been fixed by Ginetto over the years and are not on the list or have not been marked to green status.

Edited by Stefan Roess, Apr 04 2016 - 09:44 AM.





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