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#1 twinpotter

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Posted Feb 26 2020 - 04:05 PM

Which driver, throughout F1 history, deserved to win an F1 Championship,and never quite achieved that accolade πŸ€”

For me, been British, it's got to be Sir Stirling Moss.

Who do you think should have won a title, and deserved to win a championship. But unfortunately never did.

Just a few pointers Bruce McLaren, Jacky Ickx, Ronnie Peterson, Rubens Barrichello, Felipe Massa πŸ€” Hope I haven't answered them all.

Your thoughts please πŸ€žπŸ‘

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Edited by twinpotter, Feb 26 2020 - 04:13 PM.


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Posted Feb 26 2020 - 04:55 PM

Dan Gurney, the only driver Jim Clark feared.

And a nod to someone who never competed in F1, though he tested for a couple of teams - I think AJ Foyt could have won the championship, and it would have been so much fun to see him in F1.

Edited by jgf, Feb 26 2020 - 04:58 PM.


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Posted Feb 26 2020 - 09:55 PM

Jacques Lafitte, Jean Alesi and Gilles Villeneuve . All hard racers and excellent in the rain. Jacques and Gilles both came close and poor Alesi was in an unreliable Ferrari for too long.

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Posted Feb 27 2020 - 05:48 AM

Agree with every driver named so far. All great drivers and "nearly men".

My choices would have been

Stiling Moss, Dan Gurney & Ronnie Peterson as previously mentioned and one more..

Froilan Gonzalez, he was a brilliant driver.

Oh, and finally Gerry Marshall. If ever their was a driver who could have been a world champion, it was that man.

Sadly too big to fit into a Grand Prix car.

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Posted Feb 27 2020 - 07:22 AM

Never forget Chris Amon

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Posted Feb 27 2020 - 07:36 AM

I suppose you could include Ricardo Patrese and David Coulthard.

Let's hope that the same doesn't happen to the present Max Verstappen πŸ€”

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Posted Feb 27 2020 - 08:29 AM

Probably we could just say any of them who made it to the F1 grid based on experience and talent, given the proximity of the back of the field to the front compared to all race drivers ever.

More specifically, it could be any with a car and team capable of getting there.

Or, even more limited would be those who during their era, whether an F1 driver or not, were regarded by their peers as having talent, character, and attitude worthy of a champion.

Two that could be nominees in that category, (an entirely subjective personal opinion), would be Parnelli Jones, who could and did drive anything, and Bob Bondurant, whose F1 career was shredded in the trees outside Curva Grande.


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Edited by John Woods, Feb 27 2020 - 08:34 AM.


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Posted Feb 27 2020 - 09:26 AM

View PostCookie, on Feb 27 2020 - 07:22 AM, said:

Never forget Chris Amon

I'd second this one, and would add Innes Ireland.

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Posted Feb 27 2020 - 12:17 PM

It has always puzzled me why David Coulthard never got closer to winning the World Championship. He drove alongside Champions in the same equipment. Time and again his team mates won the championship and left him choking on their dust. He had so many chances to win the big prize and yet he never took any of them. To me, he never seemed quite hungry enough. He never seemed to have enough of the grit and determination (and possibly a bit of arrogance, like Schumacher?) to actually reach out and grab the wins. He seemed quite happy to finish in the top five and take his prize money home to Monaco with him.

Edited by Saiph, Feb 27 2020 - 12:18 PM.


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Posted Feb 27 2020 - 01:05 PM

The problem with Coulthard was his teammates. He was a great driver but compared to a HΓ€kkinen or RΓ€ikkΓΆnen...
I've seen him admitting a couple of years ago in a video that he knew Mika was just faster than him.

Same for Barichello, one of the best drivers in the world. But Michael was THE best.

Edited by Millennium, Feb 27 2020 - 01:06 PM.


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Posted Feb 27 2020 - 03:13 PM

"He seemed quite happy to finish in the top five and take his prize money..."

No mean feat in itself.  You can push for the win and risk not finishing at all.  

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Posted Feb 27 2020 - 03:50 PM

Ditto Saiph

I watched the F1 season review, for 1999, the other week on one my DVD collections, and David admitted he played the wingman to Mikka the year before in 98. He stated 'Perhaps now this year (99) it was his turn' but he never delivered.

He seemed to me to play the team role too much instead of adopting the arrogance of a Schumacher. I really think he was as good, if not better than Hakkinen πŸ€­πŸ€” Real shame 😠

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Edited by twinpotter, Feb 27 2020 - 03:54 PM.


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Posted Feb 28 2020 - 06:40 AM

As a little bit of a different angle. I've always wondered when will we have another Italian champion.  Or is a Ferrari drivers and constructors championship enough.

Il Commendatore, the prancing horse, the tifosi, historica Monza and even Alfa Romeo to spur on the Italian Renaissance. Will we ever see an Italian champion in the future. For me the last hopeful Stefano Modena in the late eighties and early nineties πŸ€”πŸ€­

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Posted Feb 28 2020 - 04:02 PM

Given the fact that Alan Jones has been WC, the list of drivers that cld have been crowned is a long one  . There are so many factors in this sport that have to matche well at the right moment ...

1982 : Pironi was still a comfortable leader long after the Hockenheim crash

1961 : Von Trips

  Stirling Moss is a mythic driver, 4 or 5 crowns wld not have surprised racing fans, imo one of the all time greats

Edited by M Needforspeed, Feb 28 2020 - 04:18 PM.


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Posted Feb 28 2020 - 05:56 PM

View PostCookie, on Feb 27 2020 - 07:22 AM, said:

Never forget Chris Amon

Hear, hear! but then again, I would say that, wouldn't I? Ingegnere Forghieri certainly thought highly of him and that's good enough for me! I recall reading somewhere that he thought Chris Amon could match Jim Clark and that 1968 should have been Amon's year but he was let down by the equipment all too often. I think his 1968 Tasman series performance was seen as proof of what could have been. Ifs and buts of motorsport...

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Posted Feb 29 2020 - 07:04 PM

View PostM Needforspeed, on Feb 28 2020 - 04:02 PM, said:

Given the fact that Alan Jones has been WC, the list of drivers that cld have been crowned is a long one  . There are so many factors in this sport that have to matche well at the right moment ...

1982 : Pironi was still a comfortable leader long after the Hockenheim crash

1961 : Von Trips

  Stirling Moss is a mythic driver, 4 or 5 crowns wld not have surprised racing fans, imo one of the all time greats

1982(or even 79) - Before Pironi, Gilles probably would be ahead, if they didnt steal many points one from the other.
1961 - Was going to point Trips, you beat me to that.

Moss and Peterson, any time.

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Posted Mar 01 2020 - 03:55 AM

Tony 'the dentist' Brooks I think also had great potential to become a world champion once.
Best of the rest in 1958 and runner-up in 1959.

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Posted Mar 02 2020 - 01:41 AM

Then there is the story of this guy. Allegedly the fastest dude around for his time but seems he fell short on finances and well , a lack of discipline one might say..  

https://www.the42.ie...802607-Jun2016/

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Posted Mar 02 2020 - 06:49 AM

View PostGrandPrixYannick, on Mar 01 2020 - 03:55 AM, said:

Tony 'the dentist' Brooks I think also had great potential to become a world champion once.
Best of the rest in 1958 and runner-up in 1959.

Posted a couple of days ago on Motorsport Magazine's web site.

https://www.motorspo...diculously-easy

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Posted Mar 03 2020 - 01:43 PM

His name has already been mentioned, but just to reinforce how good he was, Moss was by far the best driver never to win an F1 championship.  He ranks 9th all time in win percentage, 14th in podium percentage, 6th in pole percentage, and 4th in fastest lap percentage.  After Fangio retired, Moss was the best driver in F1 until his crash forced him to retire and Clark came along.

It's really a shame that he never won a championship.




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