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#1 twinpotter

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Posted Feb 15 2020 - 06:10 AM

What do you all think of the new Zandvoort circuit and It's return to the F1 calendar.

https://youtu.be/tcsMznNVgMc

https://youtu.be/Roznaae7J5M

https://youtu.be/ZrkJbGh2sDo

https://www.goodwood...ort-f1-circuit/

https://www.circuits...dvoort-circuit/

Will it be a fantastic success or a disappointing return.

Does it signify and represent the fall and recent disinterest of F1. With team F1 trying to not only claw back old fans but breed new ones.

There seems to be interest and a wondering, whether the track will hold up and whether it will work as a F1 race. But along with that hope, theres a lot of people who are doubtful of its calibre. Especially whether overtaking and competativeness will be possible.

Do we really need a Dutch GP, ot is it just a gift to Max, to help house all his fever pitched band of Orange fans.

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Edited by twinpotter, Feb 15 2020 - 06:21 AM.


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Posted Feb 15 2020 - 06:37 AM

Sadly it's not our old-fashioned Zandvoort layout, but I'm looking forward to the event.

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Posted Feb 15 2020 - 08:11 AM

its not only verstapen  , theres  nyck de vries who won the F2 title last year and rinus Veekay  second in Indy light last year  and who will drive for carpenter in indycar next year  obviously theres a trend a renaissance of the motorsport in holland

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Posted Feb 15 2020 - 09:29 AM

I'm really happy F1 returns to Zandvoort, I've been there a couple of times and the track still has some sort of magic because of it's history.
And personally that's all I care about now.

If F1 came back to the Netherlands but in Assen I couldn't be bothered. And weather the race will be a succes or not, it's just exciting to see such a classic track revived again.

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Posted Feb 15 2020 - 11:47 AM

I'm also pretty excited to see it return.
The layout hasn't really 'changed' though a number of corner made a few adjustments.
The banking looks quite exciting.

Don't really look forward to this year but the next year's rules sound promising,
so I hope this falls in favour for Zandvoort that it isn't just Tarzan where overtaking can be done.

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Posted Feb 15 2020 - 01:57 PM

It will be as much "Zandvoort" as "Hockenheim", "Silverstone", and "Monza" are to their forebears.

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Posted Feb 15 2020 - 03:56 PM

At least Zandvoort still has gravel traps today, which has become a rarity in modern F1.

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Posted Feb 15 2020 - 04:16 PM

I personally hope it's a success, and the fact that F1 as gone back to Europe, as a new inserted track in the calendar, is really pleasing. Rather than the faceless, far east tracks, that have been adopted over the last decade or three. I know that's been a money orientated thing, but for me, we need to go back to and keep the hotbed of F1 localities. I'm all for progress and development, but for me faceless GP's, just aren't working.

Ditto also to you Millennium. Bring back the gravel traps to the F1 tracks. Then we don't have those stupid corner cutting penalties of two wheels off the track. Simple if the drivers stray from the path they end up paying the ultimate price, of getting beached, naturally losing places and possibly the race.

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Edited by twinpotter, Feb 15 2020 - 04:21 PM.


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Posted Feb 15 2020 - 08:28 PM

Fully agree about the gravel traps.

I have to admit though given the obvious restrictions due to safety is looks like a good track. My only real concern it is looks a bit narrow. :( I hope it doesn't just become a procession won during the pit stops. :( I want to see wheel to wheel racing and I'm not sure this is going to provide that. :(

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Edited by snafu, Feb 15 2020 - 08:30 PM.


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Posted Feb 16 2020 - 01:38 PM

"...the faceless, far east tracks..."  

Exactly.  For thirty years now we've seen a parade of cookie-cutter tracks with not a dime's worth of difference between them;  flat, featureless, near identical lap times, and with an apparent fear of any straight section long enough for the cars to exceed ordinary street speed limits.

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Posted Feb 16 2020 - 01:43 PM

I agree but that's why I like Zandvoort, it's more similair to Suzuka (same designer ofcourse). Assen is also just a flat parking lot like most modern tracks, not exciting at all.

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Posted Feb 17 2020 - 02:33 AM

 jgf, on Feb 16 2020 - 01:38 PM, said:

"...the faceless, far east tracks..."  

Exactly.  For thirty years now we've seen a parade of cookie-cutter tracks with not a dime's worth of difference between them;  flat, featureless, near identical lap times, and with an apparent fear of any straight section long enough for the cars to exceed ordinary street speed limits.

Most of Tilke tracks are okay or even great to drive. And they are not very different to todays Hockenheim or Silverstone. The problem is/was with racing, or rather with the rules of racing and FIA safety regulations... We need grass and gravel beside the asphalt, and curbs with proper height :)

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Posted Feb 17 2020 - 03:32 AM

Regarding Tilke, his tracks are often a hit-or-miss.
Sepang, Istanbul Park & COTA are pretty great, Bahrain and Korea were okay, but Shanghai, Abu Dhabi and Sochi are absolute :crap:.

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Posted Feb 17 2020 - 04:14 AM

 Millennium, on Feb 16 2020 - 01:43 PM, said:

I agree but that's why I like Zandvoort, it's more similair to Suzuka (same designer ofcourse).

Hugenholtz did not design Zandvoort, he was director of Circuit Zandvoort.
He did design other tracks, Zolder and Jarama.

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Posted Feb 17 2020 - 06:42 AM

from what i read the track was build using bits of road build by the german army during WW2 part of of there coastal defense system

Edited by KARTM, Feb 17 2020 - 06:43 AM.


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Posted Feb 17 2020 - 02:41 PM

If I remember, I read somewhere that Assen started as a road track, a bit like Brno, and the only original bit left is where the pits and grandstand are now 🤔

I stand corrected on that 🤭

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Edited by twinpotter, Feb 17 2020 - 02:42 PM.





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