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#16 Roo

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Posted Jan 09 2016 - 02:11 AM

View PostMichkov, on Jan 08 2016 - 09:53 PM, said:

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Aren't we past the Monza and Watkins thing by now? It would be nice to include all 11 tracks in 1.07.

All for it but than you are releasing GPL as free/abandonware not as demo. I dont know if anyone would care given its age but it's a step up from just polishing the Papy demo.

I agree, all original tracks should not be included in a new demo simply because the software is now over 15 years old.

For a new demo to get new people started with GPL, I think Bernd's 1.07 installer is a great starting point.
I would add the ability to install without the cd & I think adding a running GEM+ to a new driver's first install might help them with the mods & various patches.

Include the patches:
Letterbox
head movement
dirt-gear (olaf's)
weather
pit-stop
all 60fps patches needed for the various mods

I'm happy to help out where I can, I speak french & german (native english) if anyone needs any translation help ... not that there aren't many native speakers here ;)

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Posted Jan 09 2016 - 04:37 AM

Just to help me a bit I have attached the following options of the 1.07 installer. The dark grey ones can be removed. The light yellows should maybe have other defaults. For sure the listed patches are not there because they are needed mostly for GEM. Which I need to find a smooth way to incorporate :)

If the rest should be more or less just be installed choosing the defaults and hence maybe removed from the options fine by me. The less options the better :)

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Posted Jan 09 2016 - 08:27 AM

To add further. I checked the GEM&iGOR installation code and would refuse to create a package of GPL & Gem&iGOR. Especially because you can remove GEM&iGOR through the programs/apps depending on the Windows version you use. However, I would like to add a "user/car/resolution" page so that a new player would be created.
It would be useful for hints about the various player.ini settings which are "important".
If Stefan wouldn't mind he may would like to create an installation walk through adopted for this demo and GEM/iGor ... :)

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Posted Jan 09 2016 - 09:06 AM

Hi Bernd :) the "3d Rims in Mirrors" by Ydna do not work properly for every car due to wrong 3dos. I thoroughly tested it and you can see it in my Ferrari post here http://srmz.net/inde...c=10586&hl=rims
I would suggest to not include that patch unless it is fixed or reworked ;)

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Posted Jan 09 2016 - 09:23 AM

View PostMichkov, on Jan 08 2016 - 09:53 PM, said:

View PostPete Gaimari, on Jan 08 2016 - 03:42 PM, said:

Aren't we past the Monza and Watkins thing by now? It would be nice to include all 11 tracks in 1.07.

All for it but than you are releasing GPL as free/abandonware not as demo. I dont know if anyone would care given its age but it's a step up from just polishing the Papy demo.


Are we trying to get new people into GPL, or give them a demo of a game that can hardly be found anymore. GPL is 18 years old. Who is going to care at this point?

It's the GPL community that kept GPL alive. Who would buy GPL now and run it as is?

Edited by Pete Gaimari, Jan 09 2016 - 09:29 AM.


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Posted Jan 09 2016 - 09:33 AM

View Postleon_90, on Jan 09 2016 - 09:06 AM, said:

Hi Bernd :) the "3d Rims in Mirrors" by Ydna do not work properly for every car due to wrong 3dos. I thoroughly tested it and you can see it in my Ferrari post here http://srmz.net/inde...c=10586&hl=rims
I would suggest to not include that patch unless it is fixed or reworked ;)

Thanks for this info :) So it's time for a new installer too ;)

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Posted Jan 09 2016 - 05:04 PM

With alls the sims on the PC market now, and all the tracks they have, I think if we want the installer a tool to get newcomers interested in GPL, it needs at least the 11 Original tracks . Bugatti wld replace Rouen. So for a short time , they ' ll have more tracks to tests, and more time spent on the asphalt, before they put an appreciation on GPL.

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Posted Jan 10 2016 - 01:36 AM

View PostBernd Nowak, on Jan 09 2016 - 08:27 AM, said:

If Stefan wouldn't mind he may would like to create an installation walk through adopted for this demo and GEM/iGor ... :)

Sure I will do.
I can also create a domain and host the new demo.
Bernd, I haven't forgoten about the other two domains we talked about. ;)

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A demo with all 11 GPL tracks would be great. But we have to be sure that we do not get into legal rights problems.

This is also mentioned here:
Let's Try To Get Gpl Available On "good Old Games
http://srmz.net/inde...opic=11072&st=0

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Posted Jan 10 2016 - 02:21 AM

View PostM Needforspeed, on Jan 09 2016 - 05:04 PM, said:

With alls the sims on the PC market now, and all the tracks they have, I think if we want the installer a tool to get newcomers interested in GPL, it needs at least the 11 Original tracks . Bugatti wld replace Rouen. So for a short time , they ' ll have more tracks to tests, and more time spent on the asphalt, before they put an appreciation on GPL.

View PostStefan Roess, on Jan 10 2016 - 01:36 AM, said:

View PostBernd Nowak, on Jan 09 2016 - 08:27 AM, said:

If Stefan wouldn't mind he may would like to create an installation walk through adopted for this demo and GEM/iGor ... :)

Sure I will do.
I can also create a domain and host the new demo.
Bernd, I haven't forgoten about the other two domains we talked about. ;)

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A demo with all 11 GPL tracks would be great. But we have to be sure that we do not get into legal rights problems.

This is also mentioned here:
Let's Try To Get Gpl Available On "good Old Games
http://srmz.net/inde...opic=11072&st=0

With all respect, we must be sure that it's OK to have a demo containing the 11 original tracks but this would be no demo or? This would be GPL as a freeware so I would not be sure that this is legal. Like Stefan and others have said here and at other threads, I'm not sure about this.

Based on the GPLPS Installer 1.08 I have created an installer which will install only Watkins Glen and Monza. Am I right that Monza had been part of a Sierra GPL demo or was it Mosport? We could however add another track to the demo.

I need to rework the dialog text so that it's not the GPLPS Installer but the GPL Demo 2016 Installer. And I need to create the new player dialog so that I can create a basic player.ini with at least the right resolution set as well as the right default mode like Int Short as well as standard details and car.

Let me think about this :)

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Posted Jan 10 2016 - 06:40 AM

It was Monza. :rolleyes:
I also think that is best NOT to add all the original tracks.

But I think you could add 2 or 5 or more circuits choosing from the addon tracks created by modders.
There are a bunch that are pretty great without being papyrus. :)

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Posted Jan 10 2016 - 06:56 AM

I would like to add one or two tracks where we have permission and which have a great online and offline ranking. Ideas or proposals?

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Posted Jan 10 2016 - 07:13 AM

View PostBernd Nowak, on Jan 10 2016 - 06:56 AM, said:

I would like to add one or two tracks where we have permission and which have a great online and offline ranking. Ideas or proposals?

Hi Bernd!
New version of Spa? Brands Hatch 67? Zeltweg 71?

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Posted Jan 10 2016 - 09:06 AM

What makes GPL above all the rest of the sims out there is the championship season. You need all the tracks for that. How is someone new suppose to race GPL as it was originally intended?

I could only find a few GPL CD's for sale. What happens when they're gone? Where are they coming from to begin with. Someone is making and selling copies of the GPL CD. Who is that?

How would this work? Just include a few tracks of the of the Historical V2 mod in the demo. Then include the rest of the season in the Historical mod. Including all the non championship track. Someone new would have it all with just two installs.

Would that work?

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Posted Jan 10 2016 - 10:27 AM

Pete, the demo is not a substitute for the whole game. This is already discussed here: http://srmz.net/inde...showtopic=11072
And I took a close look about the Historical Mod. There's no easy way for me to fix it. For a demo it's to complicated. This demo is for people to try out GPL and then try to get a hand of a GPL CD or i.. or a zip or whatever.

Spa67 would be maybe to demanding. I like Brands Hatch and Zeltweg but hey, I'm old. SO much new tracks has been released. :) My 2 cents ;)

At the moment I'm fighting with my new player installer window so that the game can be used from GEM as well as directly.

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Posted Jan 10 2016 - 10:49 AM

Then I would go for tracks which are mandatory for mods.




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