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#41 Border Reiver

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Posted Apr 19 2016 - 04:10 AM

You'll never get it then. :(

Codemasters don't have the Toyota licence and aren't going to get it. It looks more likely that beyond some bug fixes and minor tweaks they will move to a new game engine as the current one has reached its limits from what I have read and so anything further would require a new way of going about it. Apparently that is also the limitation with trying to do the Dakar for instance as the engine can't cope with more free-form map types and they have also possibly hit some other limits with stage lengths etc., all of which will hopefully be addressed if / when they move to a new engine and make DiRT Rally 2.

Part of the problem is still the market though, and I guess it will all depend on sales for this one, and also how it goes on console, (which was released on 5th April). It is a hard game as it is fairly realistic but that turns off casual gamers, (as Papy found out). Those who like simulations seem to love it, (but also fervently do not want it to get dumbed down, although even for hardened sim racers it has something of an initial learning curve), but for casual players migrating from previous recent DiRT titles there are no ultra easy modes, or racing lines for you to follow or other pointless gimmicks. It also really benefits from using a wheel, so again that will limit the potential market. In all cases you can't just pick it and win your first event and most people will end up half way up a tree with smoke pouring out of the radiator within the first couple of hundred yards! It probably took me 20 or 30 hours before I really got to understand the handling and techniques until I started to really enjoy it and over 100 hours before I started winning at the higher difficultly levels and in the more mental cars.

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Posted Apr 19 2016 - 05:34 AM

DiRT Rally vs Real Life | Sweet Lamb - Ford Fiesta WRC
https://www.youtube....h?v=vByLmmLqEZE

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Posted Apr 19 2016 - 09:18 AM

View PostBorder Reiver, on Apr 19 2016 - 04:10 AM, said:

You'll never get it then. :(

It's still a possibility. The two rwd Group B rice burners I mentioned would hasten my purchase though. The Group B era was the last time I paid much attention to rallying. The Safari Rally in Kenya and the Rallye Côte d'Ivoire always reflected one of the reasons I've driven so many Nissans and Toyotas. They may not be the fastest but they were good reliable cars that usually get you where you're going. My first car was 1983 Celica GT. It was nothing like the rally car. It didn't even have a dual cam engine, but I drove it like a rally car at times. It's demise was even similar to a rally car. I hit a rock in the middle of a dirt road after sliding over the crest of a hill. 5 minutes later while returning home on the highway, I noticed I had no oil pressure. I immediately stopped but the damage was done. The rock had put a 1+ inch hole in the oil pan. With a trashed number 1 rod bearing and a front bumper that had suffered other "rallying" incidents, I wasn't willing to pay the costs for repair.

View PostBorder Reiver, on Apr 19 2016 - 04:10 AM, said:

Codemasters don't have the Toyota licence and aren't going to get it.

I thought that might have something to do with it. With Toyota becoming such a behemoth now, I thought they might have become a company that would demand extortion for licensing rights.

View PostBorder Reiver, on Apr 19 2016 - 04:10 AM, said:

Apparently that is also the limitation with trying to do the Dakar for instance as the engine can't cope with more free-form map types and they have also possibly hit some other limits with stage lengths etc.


I suspected that too. I wasn't necessarily thinking about Dakar, but the Safari Rally and the Rallye Côte d'Ivoire are similar with long stages. They both got close to 5000km in three stages with only a few to several dozen control points. I also thought it might be incredibly difficult to accurately map either of them, even if they only did a few small sections. Plus, there's no telling how much the roads have changed since the mid 80s. Although it wouldn't surprise me much if they are still very similar.

I do find the sim very interesting for all the other Group B cars it has. The Lancia 037 has always been one of my favorite cars. The Opel should give you a taste of what the Toyota and Nissan would have been like too. Maybe they'll get the 240RS some day. I like the sound of that engine.

1986 Safari Rally - https://www.youtube....h?v=UBPnQW1xL5k

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Posted Apr 19 2016 - 11:57 AM

View PostJMF, on Apr 19 2016 - 09:18 AM, said:


I suspected that too. I wasn't necessarily thinking about Dakar, but the Safari Rally and the Rallye Côte d'Ivoire are similar with long stages. They both got close to 5000km in three stages with only a few to several dozen control points. I also thought it might be incredibly difficult to accurately map either of them, even if they only did a few small sections. Plus, there's no telling how much the roads have changed since the mid 80s. Although it wouldn't surprise me much if they are still very similar.


That is a very valid point. Something with DiRT Rally is that the stages that it has are genuine real rally stages. The DiRT forums also have threads were you can see the Google Earth of the actual stages with the game map overlays, so they really have gone to town on proper authenticity in that regard. Something else with DiRT actually is that in most locations in reality the two long stages for that location actually join up with each other either directly or via a very short missing link of road such that they could potentially be joined and run as a single 20 km stage, (run then in either direction), which while not adding any more variety or total new miles of road, would certainly add to the challenge as the driver now has to concentrate for double the time on those stages and that certainly would be a bit more hardcore. That might however not be possible due to the game engine limitations, but, if it were possible then that certainly would be an interesting potential development.

Something else some people have gone on about, which again won't happen is either a track editor for it, or some sort of procedural stage generator that would create new generic stages on the fly. This stuff might make it to DiRT Rally 2 (if there is one), but is not going to happen in this incarnation, so on a lot of levels this probably is going to be all there is in terms of content for it, expect maybe a couple more Rallycross tracks may get added, as Codemasters do have the FIA licence for that series so we may get current season liveries in that plus another RX venue or two. It must cost a lot to produce the stages they have made in the detail they have them though, and so to add more venues now would cost too much to recoup as DLC I would have thought, especially if they are moving to a new game engine for a new version as that effort might then simply have to be duplicated in the (hopefully near) future.

Personally I'd love to have some more tarmac in Corsica and even though it is not WRC, maybe also in Ireland or the Manx, or on Mull in Scotland. :) Like you I'd also be interested in the Safari, and other venues that are obviously missing are Australia, New Zealand, Spain and Portugal, which again would all add something extra and different in terms of challenge.

My big hope is that this is a stepping stone to another rally sim that will follow where more of the above is included or at least possible, but I guess there we have to just wait and see. For now, what we do have isn't bad and still has enough interest and replay appeal that 200+ hours in I am still happy to take part in the daily, weekly and monthly time trials and do a few league events. :)

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Posted Apr 25 2016 - 07:05 AM

In case you are looking for a good online league check here at RaceNet Leagues:
DirtRallyManiacs
https://www.dirtgame...irtrallymaniacs
-> there are some GPL drivers among them ;)

(I have updated my first post with this info)

Edited by Stefan Roess, Apr 25 2016 - 07:05 AM.


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Posted Jan 27 2017 - 09:49 AM

Some real Rally impressions :)

RALLYLEGEND 2016 | Highlights
https://www.youtube....h?v=6tO1Q3O8DBw

14° Rally Legend 2016 - Pure Sound
https://www.youtube....h?v=bR0Mua_duH0

Austrian Rallye Legends 2016 | Highlights
https://www.youtube....h?v=jbJ1kFTNkgI

Rally car 206 km/h through a forest...
https://www.youtube....h?v=5SmZlg5KMRs

Crazy Old Man Driving Prank - Rally Driver Petter Solberg AMG :)
https://www.youtube....h?v=-RJPg2axfcQ

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Posted May 31 2017 - 06:56 AM

DiRT Rally Mod Manager 4.2
http://www.racedepar...d-manager.8062/



DiRT Rally Liveries:

https://steamcommuni...es&appid=310560

http://www.devtechso...l-liveries.html

http://www.rallygame...eries/page1.php

http://www.nogriprac....php?subcat=144

http://www.racedepar.../dirt-rally.90/

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Posted May 31 2017 - 08:22 AM

I'm still very addicted to this. +800 hours in snow, mud, gravel and dusty tarmac for me till now - and against some trees from time to time too, LOL...

Pity they are back to usual Dirt formula with forthcoming Dirt 4, that arcade-like and kiddish way is absolutely not for me.

I will continue with this one for sure, maybe less people at online events so I have a chance for better placement... :think: :D

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Posted Jun 01 2017 - 12:40 PM

I'm also skeptical about DiRT4 for the exact same reasons, but if Codies are to be believed the rallying part is largely untouched with the addition of random stages.

So I'll surely get it, though with reservations.

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Posted Jun 11 2017 - 09:33 AM

Ouch. DiRT 4 is really awful. There is no feeling as to what the car is doing. No understeer. No throttle steer. I had to check twice to make sure I was in simulation mode. The 50fps didn't help. Stay away.

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Posted Jun 12 2017 - 05:58 AM

DiRT 4:
I don`t think the feeling is "awful", but different (but I didn`t expect the exact feeling of Dirt Rally anyway).
But so far I have only done the rally school and some rally cups of the carreer mode including a cup of buggie racing (which is fun).
I haven`t had time yet to take a deeper look into myThrustmaster T500 RS wheel settings within Dirt 4. I have only reduced the overall force to 50 as 100 was way to strong for my linking.
All other wheel settings are still set to default within Dirt 4.
I think I will try my Dirt Rally wheel settings for Dirt 4.
The default settings for Dirt Rally also didn`t feel good in the beginning.
More when I have changed my wheel settings. :)


Edit: I renamed this thread to "Dirt Rally and Dirt 4". :)

Edited by Stefan Roess, Nov 04 2018 - 09:21 AM.


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Posted Jun 13 2017 - 02:18 PM

Hmmm, bought Dirt 4 but having no luck with it so far.

It loads up, gives me the option to select arcade or serious, set a driver name and then takes me straight to an Australian stage and the game crashes. No options to set screen resolution, input device or any other settings before this happens.

What genius decided it would be a good idea to put the player in the car without giving them the chance to set up the game first?

If they don't patch this within the next week I'll have to ask for a refund :(

Edit: Dirt 4 Refunded. Will go back and play Dirt Rally again, it's been a while and it was a lot of fun.

Edited by Fat Rich, Jun 15 2017 - 02:25 AM.


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Posted Jun 14 2017 - 11:27 AM

yes, rally is a dirty job, but someone has to do it. :D

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Posted Jun 15 2017 - 09:42 AM

I like Dirt 4 even so it is more Arcade than Dirt Rally.

Attached are my Dirt 4 Thrustmaster T500RS wheel settings. They are almost the same I use for Dirt Rally.


More infos here:

Thrustmaster settings for DiRT 4
https://steamcommuni...s/?id=943644875



I also tried these settings, but I feel more confident with mine.

DiRT 4 Guide: Tips for Optimizing Wheel Settings and Force Feedback
https://www.gameskin...-force-feedback
-> see the "Guides" section for settings for other wheels.

Attached Files


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Posted Sep 01 2017 - 02:40 PM

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Posted Sep 04 2017 - 03:52 PM

Hi All:

I think I'm down to either purchasing "Dirt Rally" or "DiRT 4" for my PC w/Logitech Momo FFB wheel/pedals. I don't want something that's brutally difficult, but neither do I want something too easy or too juvenile. I can be quite happy with something that makes me "think" it's realistic without getting into all the hand wringing about realism that I'm capable of! I hope either Dirt Rally or DiRT 4 will accomplish my goal. I do have a couple of concerns that I hope those of you that have either of the above can answer:

* Must I be connected online in order to launch either game? That is, does the game verify itself via an online connection before either of these games will launch for solo playing?

* Is the solo play entertaining? (I'm not into online racing/competition.)

I have found this via Amazon:

https://www.amazon.c...ords=Dirt Rally

Once downloaded and installed, can I play OFFLINE without any need for internet connection?

If the answers allay my concerns, I will likely purchase ASAP and begin downloading.

Thanks for any input.

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Posted Sep 04 2017 - 08:32 PM

Okay... reading the many reviews between the two (Dirt Rally and DiRT 4), at this point it's a "definite maybe" I'm going with Dirt Rally. Between the two, I'm liking what I see in the videos concerning the behavior of the cars better in Dirt Rally than DiRT 4. (Seems the DR cars can do the all-important tail-out slides on the curves better than D4.)  I'm also reading that in the reviews of each. Many D4 end users are disappointed in the handling characteristics of the cars on gravel because of too much stick in the curves.

So, unless I see/read things that change my mind... I think it's going to be Dirt Rally.

Ain't that sumpthin?

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Posted Sep 05 2017 - 06:19 AM

Yes, go with DiRT Rally. MUCH more fun. Yes, it's hard if you go flat out, but if you drive sensibly and tune the AI to match those times, it is fantastic.
Dirt4 drives more like CMR2 with nicer graphics. I uninstalled it and am back to Dirt Rally. Love it.

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Posted Nov 04 2018 - 11:41 AM

View PostRemco Hitman, on Sep 05 2017 - 06:19 AM, said:

I uninstalled it and am back to Dirt Rally. Love it.

I have also uninstalled Dirt 4 as I needed disc space.
Dirt Rally is a keeper.


And DiRT Rally 2.0 is in development. Hopefully it will be like DiRT Rally.

Official website: http://dirtrally2.com/



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Posted Nov 10 2018 - 04:02 PM

Cool! I have sort of rediscovered DiRT Rally now that I have VR and D-Box. It's amaaaaaazing. The night lighting and rain effects are very convincing in VR. The rather violent motion system makes it quite an adventure!

So I'm one of those #novrnobuy crazies :-D




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