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[Fat Rich]

I'm not a fan of PRC because of some of their previous articles about other sims, now they've written one about GPL:

https://pretendracec...d-prix-legends/


Edit: And then decided to close the blog so there's no point clicking the link anymore..... it's all gone

Edited by Fat Rich, Dec 07 2017 - 07:05 AM.

[GrandPrixYannick]

To be quite fair, on a lot of these points I have to agree with him.

[Claudio Pablo Navonne]

GrandPrixYannick, on Dec 03 2017 - 05:10 AM, said:

To be quite fair, on a lot of these points I have to agree with him.

Agree.

[leon_90]

EDIT My enthusiasm got the better of me

Edited by leon_90, Dec 03 2017 - 07:12 AM.

[ginetto]

leon_90, on Dec 03 2017 - 06:52 AM, said:

...For example, the '65 team would arrange an updated mod pack with everything setup and ready and a track pack, with a thread with detailed information on what to install and how....

That is already out, just scroll down on that page:
https://gplps.wordpr...-gpl-installer/
Bernd Nowak did this and was willing to do all the others but then stop somehow. maybe for lack of response by authors for permissions? I'm not sure here though.

[leon_90]

ginetto, on Dec 03 2017 - 07:06 AM, said:

leon_90, on Dec 03 2017 - 06:52 AM, said:

...For example, the '65 team would arrange an updated mod pack with everything setup and ready and a track pack, with a thread with detailed information on what to install and how....

That is already out, just scroll down on that page:
https://gplps.wordpr...-gpl-installer/
Bernd Nowak did this and was willing to do all the others but then stop somehow. maybe for lack of response by authors for permissions? I'm not sure here though.

You are right Ginetto, and after I posted I remembered that all the latest mods contain also specific links to all needed utilities, modifications and tracks on their dedicated web pages, in the 'install' section..
Sorry, I got enflamed by enthusiasm

[John Woods]

Still the king?

The article seems to confirm it.
Despite the mostly minor but sometimes really irritating trivial issues largely unrelated to being on track.
There is no competition.

Plus it seems we have ourselves been much more critical in our opinions.

We're pretty lucky all-in-all.
Makes me want to send a big thank you, one more time just for good measure, to everyone on The Credits List.

Edited by John Woods, Dec 03 2017 - 08:13 AM.

[Saiph]

IMHO that website name is missing the letters "i" and "k". I'll leave you to decide where they should go.....

Edited by Saiph, Dec 03 2017 - 08:46 AM.

[gliebzeit]

Good one, Keith !

[Pete Gaimari]

I feel this guy is lying. I don't know why, but to say GPL is the easiest to drive is lying. We've tried all the other sims and i'm sure nobody here agrees that GPL is the easiest to drive. I don't know what his motive is, but it's not honest.

Too bad he didn't post a replay. He must have managed to drive around the track without spinning off, but how fast was he going? Can he stay with the AI set on 1.0? The guys a clown and should be ignored.

[leon_90]

Pete Gaimari, on Dec 03 2017 - 08:49 AM, said:

I feel this guy is lying. I don't know why, but to say GPL is the easiest to drive is lying. We've tried all the other sims and i'm sure nobody here agrees that GPL is the easiest to drive. I don't know what his motive is, but it's not honest.

I believe he just meant that GPL is not as difficult as people remember because now we have better peripherals and more knowledge and understanding about how to race.

Saiph, on Dec 03 2017 - 08:18 AM, said:

IMHO that website name is missing the letters "i" and "k". I'll leave you to decide where they should go.....

gliebzeit, on Dec 03 2017 - 08:23 AM, said:

Good one, Keith !

Lol

[John Woods]

"but pound-for-pound, no simulator has ever produced a sustained longevity quite like GPL. In 2017, there are people still playing this game, still modding this game, still racing online in this game, and still building setups for this game. It’s honestly pretty incredible, especially when you consider racing simulators which came out this year have already been abandoned."

The GPL 67 Ferrari 312..."is the most responsive and stable 60’s Formula One car I’ve driven in any video game to date. You certainly have to brake in a straight line and mind your elevation changes, but you can absolutely fly into corners just by pointing the nose in and keeping the car balanced through the apex. It’s extremely satisfying and intuitive..."

This is why PRC thinks Grand Prix Legends is maybe still the King Of Racing Sims:

"Thanks to a core group of dedicated modders, Grand Prix Legends became a platform for historic auto racing content, a miniature encyclopedia of racing in the 50’s, 60’s, and 70’s. It’s really the only game out there that fully embraces the spirit of old-school racing.

And those modders were able to contribute tons of content to the game, because Grand Prix Legends came at the tail end of PC gaming simplicity, where anyone with even a vague interest in messing with files could sit down for an evening and contribute something to the community."

So seems PRC is specifically complimenting modders for being the reason GPL is still the best racing sim ever and he is not merely and only churning already too familiar tired laments?

Edited by John Woods, Dec 03 2017 - 09:43 AM.

[JonnyA]

Surely the enduring appeal of GPL is in large part because we can race full, historically correct championships with all cars and tracks. A point which he I note he completely fails to mention.

[gliebzeit]

"And those modders were able to contribute tons of content to the game, because Grand Prix Legends came at the tail end of PC gaming simplicity, where anyone with even a vague interest in messing with files could sit down for an evening and contribute something to the community."

I don't buy this assumption.  When modding of GPL began, people had to delve into the core exe file to investigate what-did-what.  Physics algorithms had to be tailored around what was already there.... a complex process.  That leaves aside the complexity of new 3D modelling that was originally done at Papyrus with in-house tools.

I believe that our current (and of course some of our 'gurus' from the past) could mod the current sims in the same amount of time.

[John Woods]

Probably he is only referring to modding graphics files and not so much other stuff .

Surely anyone who ever opened Grand Prix Legends with a hex editor knows it ain't easy and never was.

How many artist/editor/modders now working on other sims started out hacking GPL?

Edited by John Woods, Dec 03 2017 - 09:56 AM.

[Royale]

JonnyA, on Dec 03 2017 - 09:34 AM, said:

Surely the enduring appeal of GPL is in large part because we can race full, historically correct championships with all cars and tracks. A point which he I note he completely fails to mention.

And will continue to do I might add...

[Pete Gaimari]

leon_90, on Dec 03 2017 - 09:24 AM, said:

Pete Gaimari, on Dec 03 2017 - 08:49 AM, said:

I feel this guy is lying. I don't know why, but to say GPL is the easiest to drive is lying. We've tried all the other sims and i'm sure nobody here agrees that GPL is the easiest to drive. I don't know what his motive is, but it's not honest.

I believe he just meant that GPL is not as difficult as people remember because now we have better peripherals and more knowledge and understanding about how to race.

Saiph, on Dec 03 2017 - 08:18 AM, said:

IMHO that website name is missing the letters "i" and "k". I'll leave you to decide where they should go.....

gliebzeit, on Dec 03 2017 - 08:23 AM, said:

Good one, Keith !

Lol

No, he said the Lotus 49 is easier to drive than all the other Lotus 49's in other sims. That's a flat out lie. Nobody could agree with that if they drove all the cars in other sims. iRacing, PC2, and AC have the Lotus 49. I've raced all of them and I put the GPL Lotus as the hardest to drive and I have decades experience in it. He's a noob to GPL and finds the Lotus easy to drive. He's not being truthful.

[leon_90]

Pete Gaimari, on Dec 03 2017 - 10:26 AM, said:

No, he said the Lotus 49 is easier to drive than all the other Lotus 49's in other sims. That's a flat out lie.

Pete, he never said that... you read the article wrong... he tried the Ferrari 312 and said that it was the easiest F1 from the sixties he has ever tried. And for the reasons I said, not because the sim is done wrong, but because he knew what to expect while in '98 it was a first time for everybody and that was what caught people off guard according to him.

[JonnyA]

If he thinks you have to brake in a straight line in the 312 I really can't see how he can have driven GPL enough to have a valid opinion about it.

[leon_90]

Also, a little sidenote. He says to have tried the Ferrari 312 with Alison Hine's setup on. That's what did the trick also, I believe. Hines' Ferrari setups are incredibly good, very stable and balanced. I remember when I first discovered them thinking "wow this is a completely different car", while default setup is incredibly nervous and unstable. The fact he had the first experience with that setup on heavily influenced his opinion, he should have gone out with default setup first.

Anyway, he said that he asked for approval to be part of the forum. Does that mean he is a user? Is he reading us now? It would be nice if he would take part in this conversation.