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#1 EzaBlade

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Posted Jun 02 2017 - 07:57 AM

I hope this doesn't irritate people but I would like to take a bit of straw pole of those that have been running GPL for much longer than I (6 months) and so have lots of experience.

I have a simple question:-

Do you have a single GPL install for all mods, using GEM+, or do you have separate installs for each mod?

I ask because, after installing many mods into one install, which usually involve simply copying and pasting files, I always feel nervous about what I may be breaking. It seems a bit of a mess that I can't be sure of (though I doubt it is). Maybe that's just my confused mind.

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Posted Jun 02 2017 - 08:12 AM

No problems here running all mods in one install with GEM+ with W7 and Linux mint.

Just make a backup of the complete GPL folder when it runs fine and after a new installed track or mod.

One thing you should never do, is to sort your seasons in GEM+ automatic by name or directory!!!
This (sometimes) messes the season.ini file...

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Posted Jun 02 2017 - 08:12 AM

I've always used a single installation.

Occasionally I've found that one mod doesn't work (usually getting a "track doesn't load" or I can't get into an online race in that one mod only) but I just go to my saved downloads and re-install that mod on top of everything and that works fine.  That's the way that the mod installs work.

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Posted Jun 02 2017 - 08:15 AM

View PostCookie, on Jun 02 2017 - 08:12 AM, said:


One thing you should never do, is to sort your seasons in GEM+ automatic by name or directory!!!
This (sometimes) messes the season.ini file...

So how do you sort the list?  Or just leave it as default (which is that?)

Whenever I open any ini files I use Notepad++ and I haven't had any problems since using that.

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Posted Jun 02 2017 - 08:39 AM

After a fresh track is installed it is on the bottom of the 67season.ini.

I open the 67season.ini with GEM+ and move the track to the left
Next step I look where it has to be placed
I click on the track below on the right side
Now I mark the new track left and move it > to the right

voila now it's sorted

to put the track in any other XYseason.ini just mark the track below the place where it belongs and > it ;)

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Posted Jun 02 2017 - 09:27 AM

The seasons are a prime example of how my expectations are different to what actually happens with GPL.

This is my 67SEASON.INI
Attached File  67_Season_INI.PNG   12.41K   33 downloads

This is my 67.INI
Attached File  67_INI.PNG   13.06K   39 downloads

This is my GP.INI
Attached File  GP_INI.PNG   22.68K   32 downloads

When I go into GPL and start a Championship I see all of the tracks from the GP.INI file, whereas I expected to see only the tracks from the 67SEASON.INI file.

I also don't now why the ini files contain what they do - at least the 67SEASON.INI file looks like it represents the championship races for this season (I removed the Rouen track and replaced with the Bugatti track).

Edited by EzaBlade, Jun 02 2017 - 09:47 AM.


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Posted Jun 02 2017 - 09:41 AM

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Edited by gliebzeit, Jun 02 2017 - 09:48 AM.


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Posted Jun 02 2017 - 09:49 AM

Oh! I missed that gliebzeit - I have done them as attachments. Thanks I may edit and post again.

Mmmm - I actually tried clicking on the images in your post and they wouldn't open.

Also - I'm sorry but I edited my original post so now you're replying to a post that isn't there anymore. My apologies.

Edited by EzaBlade, Jun 02 2017 - 09:51 AM.


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Posted Jun 02 2017 - 09:51 AM

Due to the way GEM operates I have one install for all mods, with one exception - a separate install for the '67 Historic mod (since, in my opinion, it doesn't integrate well with the other mods).  Once everything is setup and working well I use separate links to each exe to run the various mods and only use GEM for editing (mostly for swapping season files to access different tracks).

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Posted Jun 02 2017 - 09:53 AM

View PostEzaBlade, on Jun 02 2017 - 09:27 AM, said:

The seasons are a prime example of how my expectations are different to what actually happens with GPL.

This is my 67SEASON.INI
Attachment 67_Season_INI.PNG

This is my 67.INI
Attachment 67_INI.PNG

This is my GP.INI
Attachment GP_INI.PNG

When I go into GPL and start a Championship I see all of the tracks from the GP.INI file, whereas I expected to see only the tracks from the 67SEASON.INI file.

I also don't now why the ini files contain what they do - at least the 67SEASON.INI file looks like it represents the championship races for this season (I removed the Rouen track and replaced with the Bugatti track).

Do you check if you select the correct exe? Usually, it will use the correct season.ini

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Posted Jun 02 2017 - 09:55 AM

Actually 'jgf' it was after doing the 67 historic mod that I was at my most confused/worried. I wish I'd asked this question before I did the install I think your answer would have lead me to do the 67 historical as a separate install at least.

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Posted Jun 02 2017 - 09:56 AM

View Postjgf, on Jun 02 2017 - 09:51 AM, said:

Due to the way GEM operates I have one install for all mods, with one exception - a separate install for the '67 Historic mod (since, in my opinion, it doesn't integrate well with the other mods).  Once everything is setup and working well I use separate links to each exe to run the various mods and only use GEM for editing (mostly for swapping season files to access different tracks).

Here, it integrates well with other mods. One install for alls mods and GEM mismatches are rares.
As any other mod installed prior or after the seven .exe of this mod,they run OK . The selection of the correct carset between the 7, is only a question of visual intuitive task.The pics of every round starting grid in GEM helps a lot to speed up the process of selecting the correct mod.


can you tell more about " it doesn't integrate well with the other mods " ?

Edited by M Needforspeed, Jun 02 2017 - 10:03 AM.


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Posted Jun 02 2017 - 10:06 AM

M Needforspeed...

This is my GEM before I start GPL (I start GPL using GEM).

Attached File  Gem.png   694.76K   48 downloads

The list of tracks in the drop down box is only those from the 67SEASON.INI. But inside GPL it doesn't match.

You asked me if it uses the correct EXE file, well in a way this is a part of the original question. With separate installs I would be able to answer this confidently as I wouldn't be going through GEM. With one install I don't really know as I am relying on GEM.

Edited by EzaBlade, Jun 02 2017 - 10:13 AM.


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Posted Jun 02 2017 - 10:23 AM

From what I see , everything displayed in GEM is correct for the original 67 standard carset.


Can you post your 67season.ini file ? Thk you.

Edited by M Needforspeed, Jun 02 2017 - 10:28 AM.


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Posted Jun 02 2017 - 10:32 AM

aside, you 'll find below how GEM will display the seven 67 Historical mod "subcarsets".
from left to right, carset 4,1, 2, 3, 5 and below 6 and 7.

Don't take into account the car I selected, as it is a complete separate choice within the 67 historical mod, as for others mods.

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Edited by M Needforspeed, Jun 02 2017 - 10:47 AM.


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Posted Jun 02 2017 - 10:44 AM

as you can see in GEM, the picture on the upper left corner has pics of the real 67 races starting grids  included in each  " subcarset ". it is only a matter of habit, if you aren 't familiarised with the 1967 F1 tracks they used, including the non championship rounds,

By convenience, give a special name to the one AND ONLY season.ini file for this carset. On my install, you see 67HISTOS

You don't want to play later with this file, as the correct cars entrants and liveries that are after all the main objective of the historical mod  will display ONLY for the tracks included in the file.

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Edited by M Needforspeed, Jun 02 2017 - 11:18 AM.


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Posted Jun 02 2017 - 11:47 AM

View PostM Needforspeed, on Jun 02 2017 - 09:56 AM, said:

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can you tell more about " it doesn't integrate well with the other mods " ?

It has to do with how I enjoy racing sims, which harks back to how I enjoyed real world driving - actual racing probably accounts for no more then ten percent of my track time ...I just love driving.  I enjoyed taking a high performance car on the track on T&T days as much, if not more, than racing;  the world disappeared, it was me, the car, and the track ...and the days were much too short.

In racing sims I typically pick a sim, pick a mod, pick a car, pick a track, and start driving.  A couple of times a month I may race (which usually leads to AI tweaking again,  especially in simbin titles, eventually I notice all my time is spent tweaking and I haven't turned a lap in days).

The '67 Historic mod does not lend itself to this style;  it replicates a very specific group of cars for a very specific group of tracks in a very specific order, you can't just fire up one of the exes and run a race at Road Atlanta or Machwerk;  to me it is a separate game.  Hence a separate install just for these cars and these tracks (and hence my question in another thread if the last group of cars in this mod, representing the end of the season, could be used as a standalone alternative to the default cars).  A separate install also reduces clutter;  the Historic mod is basically seven small independent mods, I already have seven mods in my main GPL install;  less chance for an incipient geezer to accidentally cross something up and have to reinstall.

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Posted Jun 02 2017 - 11:55 AM

thks for your clear answer . :wave:

Taking advantage of the carset7 tweaked .exe for others tracks has been finally more on demand, that  being surrounded with the fantastic liveries around the player on the correct historic tracks . Maybe the little confusion around the 67 Historical carset, since it has been offered.

The battle between pure simracers, often oriented with what the new physics engines can offer(rather online or hot lapping approach), and those who want to experiment more what the real drivers of the times cld feel when driving against period opponents ... :rolleyes:

Edited by M Needforspeed, Jun 02 2017 - 12:26 PM.


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Posted Jun 02 2017 - 12:03 PM

One install for all mods; except 1966 F2 which is separate because it was a beta and not the finished, polished version.

1966 F2 is a favourite of mine, I love that Renault Alpine.  Are there any plans to finish it?

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Posted Jun 02 2017 - 12:28 PM

View PostAlan Davies, on Jun 02 2017 - 12:03 PM, said:

One install for all mods; except 1966 F2 which is separate because it was a beta and not the finished, polished version.

1966 F2 is a favourite of mine, I love that Renault Alpine.  Are there any plans to finish it?

as you, that' s the only one I did a separate install for, but not having used it often, I didn't remember !  

Is the project still going on, I don't know.

Edited by M Needforspeed, Jun 02 2017 - 12:31 PM.






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