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#1 paul skingley

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Posted Sep 06 2017 - 12:03 PM

Hi all. My trusty G25 is getting near retirement. I am looking at two options.
I only use the wheel for GPL.

Logitech G920

or Thrustmaster T300RS

One thing about the G25 that always bugged me is how noisy it is when racing and I am guessing the G920 uses the same rack and pinion as the G25 and so is as noisy ?

I have read the TM T300RS is "silent" in operation because it uses belts.

Anyone had experience of these two wheels.



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Posted Sep 06 2017 - 05:54 PM

Definitely the T300RS.

As a disclaimer, I have no experience with either however the G920 is basically a late model G27 with added Xbone support but without the shifter.

I have a later G27 (apparently they started stiffening up the brake pedal, maybe using progressive springs). The FFB is really bad due to the massive deadzone at lower forces and also it being extremely non-linear compared to my black momo.

For graphs, see:
http://srmz.net/inde...showtopic=11285

Seems like the T300RS has only 2 pedals but if you get a T300RS GT you get 3. Mind you I'm not sure how good the base pedals are either.

If you wanted to use your old gear stick and pedals with a new wheel you could just plug the G27 into the computer as well. Not ideal but...


The Thrustmaster wheels seem to have much better and more linear FFB from what I've seen though.
By all means search for graphs but I'm pretty sure the G29 / 920s are as appalling as the G25 / G27s both are.

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Posted Sep 07 2017 - 03:13 AM

Paul, how about a Thrustmaster T500 RS? I like it a lot.
But I haven`t checked the difference to a T300 RS.
I only know the T500 RS has 3 pedals.

Edited by Stefan Roess, Sep 07 2017 - 03:14 AM.


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Posted Sep 07 2017 - 11:32 AM

Thanks for the replies.

Does anyone know if the Thrustmaster TxxRS is quieter when racing than the Logitech  G series ?


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Posted Sep 07 2017 - 05:47 PM

Well I haven't tried the Thrustmaster wheels but they are belt driven so they won't have as much of the same loud cog rattle / noise that can happen with the Logitech wheels when the ffb is fighting against you.

From what I remember of a Fanatec GT3RS V2, belt driven wheels aren't silent but I don't think they are as noisy.

If you're still not sure, check youtube for videos - for example:
https://www.youtube....h?v=0aDVwj6hAPo

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Posted Sep 08 2017 - 05:15 AM

Seems the TMxxRS is quieter than the Logi G series so I think I will be going for the TM T300RS or GT. The T500RS is a bit more expensive and but I prefer the look of the T300RS and there are still enough buttons on the wheel.

Thanks for your help.

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Posted Sep 09 2017 - 04:14 AM

Good choice! The T300 RS is a really good wheel for the money. It's the one I would get.

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Posted Sep 09 2017 - 10:42 AM

View Postpaul skingley, on Sep 08 2017 - 05:15 AM, said:

Seems the TMxxRS is quieter than the Logi G series so I think I will be going for the TM T300RS or GT. The T500RS is a bit more expensive and but I prefer the look of the T300RS and there are still enough buttons on the wheel.

Thanks for your help.

Paul

Yes, it will be considerably less noisy than the G25.  I've had a T500 for 6 years now, replacing my G25 that burned out 1 of the motors and one of the first things I noticed was the difference in the noise level between the two.  Also, after experiencing belt driven FFB vs gears, there was no going back to the gear style for me.  For that reason alone I place the T300/T500 higher on the hierarchy of sim wheels than the Logitech G series.

If I was to have to buy a new wheel today, I would get the T300 over another T500.  Both have strong industrial grade motors, but the T300 motor is brushless.  Plus the pedals and wheels from the T500 will work with the T300.

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Posted Sep 11 2017 - 06:51 AM

Thanks for all the feedback.

Ordered a T300RS.
Should be here tomorrow.

Will I need to change my GPL core.ini ff settings ?

[ Joy ]
allow_force_feedback = 1
force_feedback_latency = 0.025
force_feedback_damping = 60.0
max_steering_torque = 175.0


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Edited by paul skingley, Sep 11 2017 - 06:52 AM.


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Posted Sep 11 2017 - 09:28 AM

I don't hear a thing on the Fanatec.

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Posted Sep 11 2017 - 12:09 PM

View Postpaul skingley, on Sep 11 2017 - 06:51 AM, said:

Thanks for all the feedback.

Ordered a T300RS.
Should be here tomorrow.

Will I need to change my GPL core.ini ff settings ?

[ Joy ]
allow_force_feedback = 1
force_feedback_latency = 0.025
force_feedback_damping = 60.0
max_steering_torque = 175.0


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If the T300 motor is near the same strength as the T500 motor, then I'd say yes.  I don't remember my G25 settings from 6+ years ago, but I do remember having to make significant adjustments GPL core settings.  I think my max_steering_tourqe setting for the G25 was around 200-220.  My setting for the T500, depending on the mod, ranges between 350-400.  I use the ffb2 patch, so factor that in as it looks from your settings that you probably don't.

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Posted Sep 11 2017 - 08:44 PM

Well, changing the latency as low as you can get away with will certainly help at least.
It's been a long time since I messed with those settings so I can't remember.
I think you can even set it to 0 and it works ok, but i could be wrong?

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Posted Sep 12 2017 - 07:30 AM

Paul,
Please let us know how you like the new wheel.


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Edited by John Woods, Sep 14 2017 - 07:17 AM.


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Posted Sep 14 2017 - 11:41 AM

Got the wheel installed and working.
It arrived the day of my league race so I had little time to test  settings.
So I left e GPL core FF settings as they were for the G25 and used Stefan's T500 controller settings.

Overall 60%
Constant 100%
Periodic 100%
Spring 0%
Damper 0%
Self Centre 0%

I have lost the feel I had with the G25 that used to give me the feeling of weight transfer especially on turn in and just before oversteer.
So now I am having to rely more on visual input and I am off the pace.

I know I have to spend time with the T300 but I hope I can find that weight transfer feel again.

Apart from that the wheel  seems well made. The pedals are not as nice the G25 ones but I might upgrade those.

Paul

Edited by paul skingley, Sep 14 2017 - 11:41 AM.


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Posted Sep 14 2017 - 01:46 PM

Hi Paul
   Please keep us updated.  I am also about to replace my G25.  I had been thinking Fanatec.  But their stuff may be overkill for my skill level. The only cons that I see with Thrustmaster is that it gets a bit pricey when buying their best pedals, and the biggest con is that their customer support is terrible.  A lot of horror tales from people with defective units.

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Posted Sep 15 2017 - 10:40 AM

There will be a little bit of an adjustment period as you get used to feel of the belt drive, but I'm sure it will come to you.  Some fine tuning of your settings will help.  I seem to remember it took me about a week to adjust to the new feel and get up to speed with my G25 times.

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Posted Sep 16 2017 - 10:06 AM

I fired up the PC and wheel yesterday for some laps but the gas pedal had stopped working.
So back to desktop and the TM T300 control panel, same result...no gas pedal.
Turned everything off and back on still the same.
I did a bit google an discovered others having the same or similar problems with this pedal set.

First instinct was return the item to the vendor but curiosity got the better of me, so risking my warranty I opened up the pedals.

Inside is nothing amazing. Two pots with geared pinion running against a rack on the pedals.
The pinions have a blank area with no teeth and the one on the gas pedal was in a position where it could not mesh with the rack.
I moved it a couple of teeth and re-assembled. Now it works again.

I think this pedal set is the weak part of the T300RS package. The plastic feels flimsy, the pedals are light and no where near the build quality of the G25 pedal set. But the wheel seems solid and well made.

Having looked inside the T300RS pedal set I think it would be possible to adapt the G25 pedals to work with the T300 wheel. I might have a go especially if I get more problems with these pedals.


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Posted Sep 16 2017 - 10:42 AM

Check these out.

http://www.bodin-sol...8_11531457.aspx

http://www.leobodnar...products_id=187

The Bodin adapter says it's not in stock, but I've seen others state that if you contact John Bodin through his site and request the adapter, that he'll make one for you if he has the components available.  He makes quality stuff as I have had his load cell brake mod for the Thrustmaster pedals for several years now.

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Posted Sep 16 2017 - 10:58 AM

Thanks for the links. The Bodin adaptor looks perfect and a simple solution.

Looks like this may be the same guy
http://www.ebay.co.u...PAAAOSw~gRVyPNA

Edit : TM are making one for a tenner.
http://shop.thrustma...12-adapter.html

Almost like saying "we know our pedals are bad" :D

Edit : Ordered the TM adaptor for a tenner so I can use my G25 pedals


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Edited by paul skingley, Sep 18 2017 - 08:52 AM.


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Posted Sep 20 2017 - 08:32 AM

TM pedal adaptor came today.

Plugs straight in and works with my G25 pedals. The T300 control panel sees all three pedals.

So far so good. :)


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