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#41 Pete Gaimari

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Posted Dec 04 2017 - 04:18 PM

My dog would like that. He loves the taste of idiots.

Edited by Pete Gaimari, Dec 04 2017 - 04:19 PM.


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Posted Dec 04 2017 - 04:31 PM

@ Pete :muttley:

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Posted Dec 05 2017 - 03:57 AM

Quote of the PRC article:

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As a result, the Nurburgring in Grand Prix Legends is to me just another track on the roster – a bit more time consuming than the others. The novelty of flying through public roads in the German countryside is therefore lost on me, when this was a selling point of the game.


He is wrong, the Nürburgring is a permantent race track and not a public roads track.

Easy to research ;)
https://en.wikipedia...iki/Nürburgring

Edited by Stefan Roess, Dec 05 2017 - 03:58 AM.


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Posted Dec 05 2017 - 05:29 AM

Guys don't fret about that piece. The writer clearly did not spend enough time playing GPL and approached it with a bias.
Those aspects of the game that surely deserve criticism when compared with modern sims (sounds, per instance) he did not even mention. On the other hand, his criticisms are simply inacurate.

It has never been as easy to get GPL up and running. After being way for a loooong time I installed it last year in less with an hour with with the GPLPS GPL Installer. Maybe he did not heard about it but if he knew about Alison's setups and managed to find them then how comes he failed to know about the installer which easily comes up with a google search?
Ditto for the mods, they all come with packed installers. Three clicks and it's done. Of course you have to look in SRMZ and search for info, but c'mon, give me a break. This is the most friendly community I have ever seen and help is always forthcoming. Besides, it's all in a single forum! Look at Nr2003, F199-02, Rfactor, GTR2, GTL, and it's all spread accross different forums, some of which are plainly hostile to newbies, while others are simply not entirely 'legal', if you know what I mean.

Then the statement about the 67's being easy is just hilarious. All these years we've been hearing that GPL is irrealistically difficult because its tyre model makes the cars feel like they are on ice, and all modern sims accordingly have grippier tyres and the cars behave in a less twitchy way. And now he is disingenuous enough to make such a claim without even comparing the car's base setup to Alison's? Bah.

Edited by guiporsche, Dec 05 2017 - 05:32 AM.


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Posted Dec 05 2017 - 07:20 AM

Not disagreeing with anyone's comments, (enjoying them all), or wanting to get way into the weeds about the article, do want to point out there are things in it with which we all could pretty much agree even if we don't so much agree with his view of them.

Some of the author's opinions seem very favorable to Grand Prix Legends and to those who enjoy and support it.

Taken on balance it still seems a good effort and not at all a slam or lacking respect.
It's an entertaining article and has caught our interest.
Pretty sure, three pages along, we are being entertained.

Happy enough with it overall, would thank PRC for writing it, and am hopeful it will lead some of those who enjoy other sims to try a few laps at Monza67 or 10K and see how well they do with it.

Following up on Stefan's post, (from the link he included), "In the early 1920s...races were held on public roads in the Eifel mountains. This was soon recognised as impractical and dangerous. The construction of a dedicated race track was proposed..."

Had no idea, always thought without bothering to check it was public roads and so very much appreciate this clarification.

Edited by John Woods, Dec 05 2017 - 08:08 AM.


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Posted Dec 05 2017 - 08:49 AM

Maybe he has braking and throttle help activated? He's obviously not going fast enough if he thinks it's easy.

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Posted Dec 05 2017 - 10:37 AM

For years I have been proving it is easy enough to hit the 85th percentile on GPLRank, (probably less than that by now).
Last time I looked that is about 30 negative, so maybe not so scary or impossible for an otherwise experienced simmer to be thirty seconds slower on average than a semi-average poke along like me.



:D

Edited by John Woods, Dec 05 2017 - 10:43 AM.


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Posted Dec 05 2017 - 11:47 AM

Not true. I can remember in the past a lot of guys couldn't go negative after years in GPL.

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Posted Dec 05 2017 - 12:05 PM

I just checked GPL Rank. There's over 5000 racers who haven't gone negative. Plus, how many who never joined GPLRank? Which i'm sure is a much larger number than those who did join it.

Speaking of the GPL rank. It's only a bunch of beta testers who set those times with mostly joysticks back in 1998. The times are nowhere near as fast as what the real cars did. Not many would be breaking the rank if the real times were used, except the aliens.

Edited by Pete Gaimari, Dec 05 2017 - 12:08 PM.


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Posted Dec 05 2017 - 12:13 PM

View PostPete Gaimari, on Dec 05 2017 - 11:47 AM, said:

Not true. I can remember in the past a lot of guys couldn't go negative after years in GPL.

Right. I was one of them.
Plus there were some early websites where they were really proud of being plus 50 and were offering setup tips.



:D

Edited by John Woods, Dec 05 2017 - 12:16 PM.


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Posted Dec 05 2017 - 12:43 PM

You confuse me John. You don't think post #47 and #50 are a contradiction?

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Posted Dec 05 2017 - 01:09 PM

It is not all that surprising an experienced simracer could hop in a Grand Prix Legends 67 Ferrari and turn a lap close to Alison's beta tester time, or better, which iirc was the benchmark for Monza.

But no idea If this is the time PRC is referring to.

If it was and PRC continues and completes a Rank qualification on all eleven tracks with the same level of competency then he would be on average that much slower than me, which is somewhat fast but all that fast.

It is somewhat surprising but still it doesn't seem impossible and does not prove GPL is easy.
He said the cars are easier to drive but didn't say what he meant by that.

Could he make 107% of the average on-line grid?

Surely he said it to be entertaining and gig us to see if we jump.

Edited by John Woods, Dec 05 2017 - 01:20 PM.


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Posted Dec 05 2017 - 01:23 PM

False humility John. You're #17xx on the total list of those who have a rank. That's about 7000 racers behind you.

Then again, you're 700 numbers behind me, so maybe you're right. :P

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Posted Dec 05 2017 - 03:18 PM

Hm, well then...means I've slipped to the 81st percentile, still way faster than PRC.

Thanks Pete, for checking that out.

Now, how to get 700 drivers out of my way.

Practice?



:D

Edited by John Woods, Dec 05 2017 - 03:19 PM.


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Posted Dec 05 2017 - 03:18 PM

:D

Don't worry John. That's an old rank when I LF braked. I'm slower now.

Edited by Pete Gaimari, Dec 05 2017 - 03:20 PM.


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Posted Dec 06 2017 - 08:18 AM

View PostJohn Woods, on Dec 05 2017 - 07:20 AM, said:

Following up on Stefan's post, (from the link he included), "In the early 1920s...races were held on public roads in the Eifel mountains. This was soon recognised as impractical and dangerous. The construction of a dedicated race track was proposed..."

Had no idea, always thought without bothering to check it was public roads and so very much appreciate this clarification.

I have now updated all Nürburgring tracks (including original Papy) on the GPL Track Database to "Race Track" as they where all (except the Betonschleife) classified as "Road Course".
Strange that I had never noticed this in all these years. :)

Edited by Stefan Roess, Dec 06 2017 - 08:18 AM.


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Posted Dec 06 2017 - 08:48 AM

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Posted Dec 06 2017 - 09:07 AM

Road course always meant it was a road racing course and not an oval. It didn't mean it was made with public roads.

Race track means it's any kind race track including oval, dirt, kart etc etc.

As an example. Daytona is a race track, but it's an oval with a road course in the infield and part of the oval.

Call Nurburgring a road course was right.

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Posted Dec 06 2017 - 10:33 AM

View PostPete Gaimari, on Dec 06 2017 - 09:07 AM, said:

Road course always meant it was a road racing course and not an oval. It didn't mean it was made with public roads.

Race track means it's any kind race track including oval, dirt, kart etc etc.

As an example. Daytona is a race track, but it's an oval with a road course in the infield and part of the oval.

Call Nurburgring a road course was right.

Pete, this is a very American-centric point of view. Most countries have very few ovals. Most motor racing fans outside the US refer to "race track" as meaning an artificially-constructed circuit, dedicated to racing, for example Silverstone. A "road course" or "road circuit" refers to a circuit which is made up partially or wholly by roads which are usually public, but are closed for racing events. This would include tracks like the historic Spa-Francorchamps, but definitely not the Nurburgring.

Edited by Saiph, Dec 06 2017 - 10:33 AM.


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Posted Dec 06 2017 - 10:43 AM

Yes, but you do have some ovals, kart tracks, rally tracks, dirt tracks etc. If you call them all race tracks. How do you know what it is?

If you call a track a road course. You know it's asphalt and a road racing track. Then you'd have to specify if it use public roads or not, but at least you know what type of track it is. Saying it's a race track doesn't tell you anything.

Edited by Pete Gaimari, Dec 06 2017 - 10:47 AM.





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