

A Geezer's Question
#1
Posted Feb 10 2019 - 11:31 AM
My turn to ask a question ... I've never driven with anything but an out-of-the-box Logitech wheel and pedals and presently use a G27 setup. I fully understand the desire to have more realistic feeling brake and clutch sets when you want to maximize the realism.
My question is whether the brakes on these after market devices do anything for stopping power? i.e. would I stop in a shorter distance than the pots on my plastic pedals let me or is it just that they'll feel more realistic?
If the answer is a "yes" then what would be a recommended next step up ... without breaking the bank.
#2
Posted Feb 10 2019 - 02:10 PM
#3
Posted Feb 10 2019 - 02:28 PM
#4
Posted Feb 10 2019 - 04:00 PM
TP:
#5
Posted Feb 11 2019 - 08:51 AM
No, you won't stop any faster if you can apply your brake now exactly the same every time. Very few can unless they're in the alien category.
Plus, it's way easier to H&T with a brake load cell because the brake pedal doesn't move.
#6
Posted Feb 11 2019 - 08:59 AM
A load cell acts just like the brake in a real car. Street cars have more movement before hitting the hard spot on the brake pedal. Race cars don't hardly move at all. A modern F1 cars brake pedal feels locked solid.
#7
Posted Feb 11 2019 - 12:47 PM
Pedals that are mounted securely and a chair that will not slide easily, are a minimum. I struggle with braking. There is just not enough sensory feedback.
#8
Posted Feb 11 2019 - 03:33 PM
What Pete says about consitency is very much truth, load cells are way way better for that. I still often struggle with consistent braking after 9 months of driving with a G25 set. I've tried Heusinkveld pedals at a friend of mine and it's allows so much more finesse once you get the feeling for it. At some point it just feels natural, something I've never had with Logitech pedals. The Heusinkveld pedals are crazy expensive, you get what you pay for though.
In my opinion you don't need a direct drive wheel, but I would say a load cell brake is well worth the investement. It's defenitely the first thing on my list for upgrading my simrig.
Edited by Millennium, Feb 11 2019 - 03:38 PM.
#9
Posted Feb 11 2019 - 04:48 PM
I have an older Fanatec Porsche GT3 wheel. It still works good after a gazillion miles on it. Enough miles to wear out the V2 pedals. I'm saving up for the Fanatec direct drive wheel. Pretty pricey right now. I'm hoping the price will come down but not real hopefull. Fanatec wants $1000 for the base and then you have to add a wheel to it. Another $200-$300. Cripes! I thought fly fishing was expensive. Actually, it is. Then I have muzzleloader hunting. No wonder i'm always broke.
#10
Posted Feb 11 2019 - 06:09 PM
So I'm having to adjust the sensitivity quite a lot to find the sweet spot.
#11
Posted Feb 11 2019 - 07:00 PM
#12
Posted Feb 11 2019 - 08:45 PM

I do use a crushable "thing" under my brake pedal ... it's been there so long I don't remember what it is and the pedal housing is against a wall so they don't slide away during braking.
I guess I'll stick with the present setup until something breaks.
Frank
#13
Posted Feb 12 2019 - 03:44 AM
- "Braking in Sims Paddy's variable resistor mod"
- in the 'Technical stuff'' column on the Grand Prix Legends Ultimate links page. I now have a Logitech G920 and have done a similar electronic modification on it, adding a variable resistor( and AAfind it helps to braking consistency
Edited by Paddy the Irishman, Feb 12 2019 - 03:45 AM.
#14
Posted Feb 12 2019 - 08:55 AM
albergman, on Feb 11 2019 - 08:45 PM, said:

I do use a crushable "thing" under my brake pedal ... it's been there so long I don't remember what it is and the pedal housing is against a wall so they don't slide away during braking.
I guess I'll stick with the present setup until something breaks.
Frank
I'm not telling you to go buy new pedals but I do want to make one comment.
Your main question is with a load cell help me stop in a shorter distance. The answer is really yes and no. No it won't stop the car any better than the car is capable of stopping. This depends on the power of the brakes and the grip from the tires. However, a load cell will help you apply maximum brake without locking up.
So, the bottom line is if you can apply maximum brake without locking up 100% of the time. Then a load cell won't help. I believe an alien can't do that. Although they'll come closer than the average racer.
If you never overshoot a turn or lock up the brakes. You don't need a load cell.
#15
Posted Feb 12 2019 - 09:46 AM
Pete Gaimari, on Feb 12 2019 - 08:55 AM, said:
Your main question is with a load cell help me stop in a shorter distance. The answer is really yes and no. No it won't stop the car any better than the car is capable of stopping. This depends on the power of the brakes and the grip from the tires. However, a load cell will help you apply maximum brake without locking up.
So, the bottom line is if you can apply maximum brake without locking up 100% of the time. Then a load cell won't help. I believe an alien can't do that. Although they'll come closer than the average racer.
If you never overshoot a turn or lock up the brakes. You don't need a load cell.
OK thanks for that final thought Pete and I understand your reasoning. I certainly do have trouble with brake lock-ups and find I have to play a lot with the balance between front and rears. It sure would be interesting to actually experience what you describe and to see what it brings to my driving (or not). As I've said before, I just drive by myself nowadays and I don't think I could justify the expense of load-cell pedals.
Thanks again for all the input guys.
#16
Posted Feb 12 2019 - 09:50 AM

#17
Posted Feb 12 2019 - 10:46 AM
On my Triumph 750 Bonneville I rolled along, singing and whistling happily. Until my load cell drum and disc breaks didn't work. To my embarrassment straight through a farm gate and into the adjacent field, full of cow pats 😂😂😁😁😎😎
Typical poor Bonny breaks. Just like a tennis ball 😂😂
TP: 🏁
#18
Posted Feb 12 2019 - 10:51 AM
When they stopped leaking oil. They were out of oil.

#19
Posted Feb 12 2019 - 01:02 PM
Of course their old bike electrics were made by Lucas...the Prince of Darkness.

#20
Posted Feb 12 2019 - 01:49 PM
twinpotter, on Feb 12 2019 - 10:46 AM, said:
On my Triumph 750 Bonneville I rolled along, singing and whistling happily.
That was the problem TP ... nobody can sing and whistle at the same time! Especially when riding a bike too!
I had several AJS's, Matchless, one BSA and a Vincent Rapide (for 3 months) back in the day. Sold my last bike (82 Honda 750 SuperSport) in '90. Last summer on my 80th b'day my nephew let me take one of his sport bikes and we went for my first ride in 30 years ... great thrill but I knew it would/should probably be my last ride. You think you have braking problems in GPL? Try it in the real world on a sport bike!!
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