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Posted Feb 25 2020 - 09:43 AM

IMO the motion sickness comes from the shaking cockpit
when you try to keep the rev counter in sight.

I do fix my eyes to the aimed line on the street...

a short video clip: https://www.mediafir...13-48-1.7z/file

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Posted Feb 26 2020 - 01:41 AM

Cookie,

What we share in common is you play GPL at 2580X 1440 but on a single large 38" monitor, isn't ?

Ginger pills are already at home.But at the moment,I am rather busy at work with no time left to perform different tests.

What I will do first is keep the 7860 X 1440 reso and various FOV ( as the FOV as well an incidence on the way objects move respective to the eyes) , but using only the front screen, by switching off the side screens . I came from a CRT 19", so the brain and eyes are on a learning curve ! With a 27" and with a limited size vision and the monitor edges confined around a 40° angle, I shld not experiment motion sickness. What caused you motion sickness is maybe a factor, but is it the only one ???

But testing not before saturday.

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Posted Feb 26 2020 - 07:50 AM

My monitor is a 2560x1080 34" LG

Seems you did not understand my point: the cars cockpit is moving up and down with the bumps of the tarmac - but the road and horizon is not.

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Posted Feb 26 2020 - 01:19 PM

Yes moving up and down, but I don't keep my eyes on the rev counter.

John Woods advices, as yours is to look in front and as far as possible

With a 1440 vertical size and with a large display, I have already noticed that the car vertical bumps effects at certains tracks ( Bugatti tarmac is smooth as silk, I rediscovered the track) are blurring a little the horizontal lines of objects drawed more at 36 fps than at 60 fps.

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Posted Mar 19 2020 - 04:00 AM

1) Finally the POV settings using GPL Shift  works with quite all the Mods.At 7680X 1440 this POV is very useful, quite an indispensable utility to set the mirrors and keeping the gauges on the screens.
Exceptions already pointed out by others members are :
- the 67 Historical Mod ( tested on the seven carsets)
- the 68 Mod ( tested on the two carsets)
- the 69 Mod Extra

It works on the 69 Mod original.

2) Motion sickness

  Seems the brain cortex is getting the habit and motion sickness is confined only to situations of spinning and only after regular ones !! .But the motion is low and go away quickly so I can keep driving.I can try differents FOV, all the GPL Shift range and they have no longer incidence on the motion sickness.

Everything runs like a charm. Spa67/ Sport Car Mod with Roman (Sky)  high textured cars/ full AI's back of the grid cockpit view / steady 36 fps/ 54 fps with the 60 patch, then a steady 60 fps on Les Combes hill and then on all the track .

  Sky performed tests confirming GPL don't benefit from CPU multiples cores (6 on my I5), why only brute power of the CPU is the way to go.

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Posted Mar 19 2020 - 04:38 AM

Tracks upload time ( Win 10 and GPL installed on the SSD drive / M2 port, not using a SATA 6 port)

Spa67 : 16"
Targa Florio : 15"
  Isle Of Man : 25"

as the motion sickness I hope will disappear completely, the 3X 27" screens, angled now at 42° will return to a flat position .Or only the lowest angle in a way to get only one bezel on each side. But bezels aren't a problem, I am surprised how fast we don't pay attention to those black lines.

Edited by M Needforspeed, Mar 19 2020 - 10:13 AM.


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Posted Mar 19 2020 - 05:01 AM

Sounds amazing,

Any chance of a few pictures.

Thanks in advance

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Posted Mar 19 2020 - 09:51 AM

View Postpaul_v, on Mar 19 2020 - 05:01 AM, said:

Sounds amazing,

Any chance of a few pictures.

Thanks in advance

Paul

Thanks Paul,


Go  to # 1 and # 9 and you' ll see camera shots of the install .But better shots,as inside the Alfa Romeo 33 open cockpit at Targa Florio wld show more immersion . The experience on this track with all the scenery around is exhilarating, seeing the track and cars  faraway ahead from the extreme sides of the sidescreens  down or up faraway in the distance . Tight and tight corners, instead of being a little boring, become a pleasure to drive . The cockpit is so big, you think it will touch a wall or that your racing line is too large :yikesss: , but then the chassis engage smoothly and goes out with ease and then a marvellous landscape until the next corner

thousand thanks Ginetto :bowdown2: :partytime:  , your Masterpiece was not only pushing GPL steps further, but even better,tailor made for those triple widescreens resolutions

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Posted Mar 20 2020 - 05:34 AM

Paul,


Seems Fraps is working with Win 10 and is not limited in horizontal resolution captures.Pic kept at the original size.it will display adjusted to your screen, but then you can click the bmp one,  to get an idea and show it at its original size. You can see the track up with the Porsche on the right
Confined at home, Targa Florio is more than ever a way to travel faraway .it can help staying in a good mood.

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Edited by M Needforspeed, Mar 20 2020 - 08:27 AM.


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Posted Mar 20 2020 - 06:10 AM

That's an amazing picture.

I'm following this thread with a lot of interest.

Really appreciate the time and effort you are putting in to this.

I have recently purchased a nice 34 inch curved monitor for one of my PC's and I'm very happy with it.

But for my dedicated GPL pc which I'm at present upgrading, I was using an Asus 27 inch monitor. I found locally an excellent triple screen stand and another matching Asus monitor...

Just biding my time until the 3rd monitor comes up on Ebay etc.

My plan is then to finally give triple screens a try. I'm also lucky enough to have a superb 50 inch dedicated HD pioneer monitor I can use and also a HD projector from my home cinema to try.

Along with my new driving rig I will soon have my ultimate GPL setup.

Paul.

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Posted Mar 20 2020 - 06:30 AM

thank you Paul to give detailed infos about your present and future installs !  So your plan is to  install the 34" center, then when you buy a third screen on Ebay, two 27" on the sides, isn 'it?
An advantage I discovered of triple screens, is you can set the FOV and POV in a way that the cockpit is so big, that the seat you are in, although invisible, match the sensation when the car is sliding, and you feel that you are really in the car.The info is transmited by the nerves to the body .It makes believe to your body that the seat is sliding accordingly with the car in the movie displayed.Your body and the car are one object moving in coordination.  I can only imagine if I had a FFB steering.

This time, the brain believes you are on a real car, but in a good way, for a change !

Edited by M Needforspeed, Mar 24 2020 - 07:47 AM.


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Posted Mar 20 2020 - 06:40 AM


Basically I'm hoping to have the option of either a triple setup of the 3x 27 inch screens or following what you are experimenting with, I would like to give try to using the curved 34" monitor as a centre screen with the 2x 27's as side screens.

Must be worth a try. At least to see how it looks and more importantly if it suits me.

I think it was Saith (Keith) that quite rightly said that it's down to personal choice. Seems some people feel bad effects from the triple screens.

Let's hope it all pans out fine.

Paul.

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Posted Mar 20 2020 - 06:43 AM

I can't send you a warranty, but I think if you suffer of motion sickness at the start as I was, your brain will get the habit. Yesterday, I drove one complete lap at the Targa Florio, a track with numerous direction changes, without problem.

have you tested on a simulators gaming shop ?

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Posted Mar 21 2020 - 04:47 PM

1 real sized 7680 X 1440  BMP .No Letterbox  with the FOV set to display a cockpit with two mirrors at sight . cockpit size is around  1.60 meter large.
Can be of interest for those with a single 27" to get an idea of a 7680 sized GPL.Move the big shot left and right
.I can't get the jpg to be uploaded at the correct size,SRMZ change the reso and its a thumbnail.

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Posted Mar 21 2020 - 05:20 PM

real size BMP captures, with same FOV as above, but :

2 POV set with driver seated at the highest position

3 POV set with driver seated at the lowest position (useless, but what a cockpit immersive feeling !)

4 POV set to see all the Alfa Romeo gauges ( driving is possible with a good vision of asphalt and road in front, if driver arms unchecked )

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Edited by M Needforspeed, Mar 22 2020 - 03:35 AM.


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Posted Mar 21 2020 - 05:33 PM

same captures as 2/3/4 as above, but thumbnails only in JPG

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Edited by M Needforspeed, Mar 21 2020 - 05:51 PM.


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Posted Mar 22 2020 - 08:38 AM

Oh,  seeing the numbers,let's remind that's the BMP pics that present an interest to be downloaded and watched full size,and not adjusted to your monitor, not the jpg thumbnails. :tongue2: ...

Edited by M Needforspeed, Mar 24 2020 - 04:36 PM.


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Posted May 09 2020 - 12:30 PM

Reposted here, an answer to someone who asked for advices  for  ultra wide and triple screens related thread



View PostM Needforspeed, on May 09 2020 - 06:55 AM, said:

only thing to do to get GPL displays on triples screens ( 48/9)  is to set SURROUND  ON, using the Nvidia control panel.A  video card with a triple Display Port is an advantage.

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   Here, GPL runs fawlessly and smoother than ever on a TRIPLE screens - 7680 X 1440
  Steady 36fps / 60 fps, Back of full AIs grid, but that's the number of pixels displayed to render each object that makes the difference on what your eyes will perceive.Sharpness, and then 3D immersion is improved a step further.Mainly for 3D objects far in the distance .  But hold your breath, as you'll experience a  changing world.

1920 X 1080 = 2073600 pixels
3440 X 1440 = 4953000 pixels
7680 X 1440 = 11059200 pixels

4953000 / 2073600  = 2,39 times more pixels displayed
11059200 / 4953000 = 2,23 times more pixels displayed
11059200 / 2073600 = 5,33 times more pixels displayed.

Unlike modern games, GPL objects textures aren't that big( with some in 2048 or 1024), but your eyes will perceive the difference with so high changing steps.Anti aliasing in particular and lines are smooth as silk.

  monitor frames / Bezels : you'll get very quickly accustomed to, being naturally busy to not notice them while driving.But recent monitors have thinner bezels.Bezels correction is easy to set.

No problem for the cockpit view, where you have very comfortable settings range for the FOV and the POV.(GPL Shift  crossed with the new Head Movement  Manager that both have different but complementary range for the FOV degrees settings, they expand it ! )  .You can even set your mirrors at the extreme of the side monitors;For the funny thing !

I didn't have to change the menus and replay buttons have no flickering with OGL V2. They display correctly on the fixed reso of 640 X 480 .Once you click on the green button, the game fits the 3 screens. Pribluda only needs to get tweaked to get the infos on the center screen.

Even if GPL doesn't support the multiview, my experience is that you get an improved immersion, seeing larger scenes around you, seeing tracks sides and even Ai's far away racing when the track change directions.The new Goodwood track is really fun for this ! You can both have a forward FOV setting for a precise look at the apexes, and see the opponents on your side.Those triple are a new teacher to help improve your cornering racing line !!

Immediate immersion change : you can set your cockpit as large as in RL, and while driving get the artificial sensation that your body and seat moves in a coordinated way.

To get 7680 on a single screen, the price of such  PC monitor wld be  extremely costly :yikesss:  ....A TV becomes then an alternative solution.But after testing GPL on 4K  Oled TV's in a shop,I felt pixel sizes are bigger, and it can be a little less smooth.Have you tried ? That's a different viewing experience;Another problem with big TV, and that the recommended distance between the TV and you isn't 83 cm, but far longer distance.

As I use GEM, once it is opened, I have only  to adjust it by clicking on the squared button, and it goes immediatly on the center screen and adjust automatically to  a full 2560 X 1440.

Last but not least... You'll feel, as I do, a lot less... CONFINED ! :cool4: :P


CONS :

- At the start, you are at risk of a very disturbing motion sickness.You can reduce it by angling the monitors.But it won't cure it.It took me around one month and spaced out 40 short 15 minuts GPL sessions to get the habit, but I can say now it is a thing of the past with screens set flats;Please, if it happens, don't dispair; try it again and again, as, anyway, motion sickness don't arrive immediatly, but after a few minuts.

- If replays are important for you : only  keep in mind that the image display is twice as large  compared with a 3440 X 1440 Ultra Wide Screen . Then,TV1, TV2 and cars cams wld take advantage of being edited.
Not because objects are elongated and distorted ( so few,the AI's cars while they are on the sided screens  edges ) , but because the upper and lower part of the cameras vertical field of view are cuts.

- a rather large room, but a triple screens holder can stay on a small wood stable sheet ( 45 cm large, here).I don't use the monitors stands.






Edited by M Needforspeed, May 09 2020 - 04:17 PM.





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