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[Reco21]

https://www.youtube....h?v=eH_zrryZ_Ug

For the DLC Ferrari 70ᵗʰ Anniversary

Edited by Reco21, Sep 20 2017 - 11:12 AM.

[David Wright Lo67]

Irritated they had to copy the Ferrari museum car which has the 68 nose on it and wider tyres.  The somewhat maligned Ferrari Racing Legends did correctly model the late 67 car.  It will be interesting to see if there is ever this car in pCARs2 whether it is modeled correctly.

Edited by David Wright Lo67, Sep 20 2017 - 12:32 PM.

[one2fwee]

Did they change rear tyre width regulations in 1968 significantly?

Is the Lotus 49 based on 68 regs too because from what I've seen the rear tyres for that always looked crazily wide to me too? Mind you, from what I remember seeing, don't they even include a seatbelt? :s

Edited by one2fwee, Sep 20 2017 - 02:10 PM.

[Pete Gaimari]

You guys are killing me. No matter what it's modeled after. She's a beauty.

If we could only have those sort of graphics in GPL. What a dream huh?

[leon_90]

I concur that it is poorly modeled, however it is a blast to drive!

[Michkov]

one2fwee, on Sep 20 2017 - 01:09 PM, said:

Did they change rear tyre width regulations in 1968 significantly?

Is the Lotus 49 based on 68 regs too because from what I've seen the rear tyres for that always looked crazily wide to me too? Mind you, from what I remember seeing, don't they even include a seatbelt? :s

No such thing as tyre width regulations in 68. At the time its the trade off between drag vs grip, some teams where running narrow F2 tyres at Monza in 67 to get higher speeds. The Lotus 49 was the one of the first to run wildly different sized tyres front to rear IIRC.

[Fat Rich]

Great fun to drive, but I'm loving the 330 P4 and the 250 GTO more. The 288 GTO is also surprisingly fun but you'll need to lower the gear ratios

4 great cars to add to the wonderful Porsches, Maserati and Team Lotus cars already in the game, even if the model accuracy is a little off

[Gui]

Don't expect the attention to accuracy as you'd get here. They go for the restored models available in museums or Ferrari displays, so a bit of Frankesteinifying takes place.

If you bring up facts like it's not the actual period car, Stefano will spit fire and pankykapus will give you a condescending response .

[Pete Gaimari]

Why would you look for accuracy at AC anyway? You don't have the tracks, drivers, championship, or era. Why be picky about the cars? You guys are funny.

[leon_90]

Gui, on Sep 20 2017 - 03:11 PM, said:

Don't expect the attention to accuracy as you'd get here. They go for the restored models available in museums or Ferrari displays, so a bit of Frankesteinifying takes place.

If you bring up facts like it's not the actual period car, Stefano will spit fire and pankykapus will give you a condescending response .

Not exactly true I had a very nice private conversation with panky. I expressed my objections about the 312, he stated the reasons behind such decisions and the choices they made. All very mature and serene.

Edited by leon_90, Sep 20 2017 - 04:02 PM.

[Millennium]

I did not know different tyre widths were used during the 1967 season, the ones on the AC 312 looked incredibely large indeed.

[Reco21]

I know that perfection does not exist, the tires look good, but the chassis is not so good, there are other sims like our beloved GPL who have achieved better designs, the 312 Assetto looks like a BRM P115 with a V12. Assetto can do better cars than this, we are talking about a paid content that is aimed at us, I do not see why you can not make a criticism of the finished product

Edited by Reco21, Sep 20 2017 - 05:01 PM.

[Pete Gaimari]

You can criticize all you want. I just don't see why you expect anything different from them? I didn't know they were known for accuracy on anything.

For cripes sake! They put a speedometer in the Lotus 49! That's when they lost me.

[Gui]

Pete Gaimari, on Sep 20 2017 - 06:56 PM, said:

You can criticize all you want. I just don't see why you expect anything different from them? I didn't know they were known for accuracy on anything.

For cripes sake! They put a speedometer in the Lotus 49! That's when they lost me.

To the more attentive and "committed" fans, they're not known for accuracy. Someone is being brave and actually making this car in rFactor2: https://forum.studio...-312-1967.57827

[Art-J]

Well, their historic Porsche 3D models are masterpieces, second to none - these guys have come a loooong way since the Lotus, which was their very first car built for this sim I believe (I wished they updated it, like they did once with their first tracks!). So I just expected a nicer rendition of 312 as well. We got what we got. Not a fan of using museum chassis 003 as a reference either, 'cause boy oh boy, is this real car an ugly restoration job or what . A bit of a errrr.... specific Italian attitude for maintaining factory car collections I guess, compared to German museums . So even if they laser-scanned it, the result 3D model still would've been ugly .

That being said, if one wants to model a few cars and do it fast, direct access always beats old photos research, so I can't blame them for taking this route. Would probably do the same myself. At least the car makes up for it with sound (excellent for otherwise not-that-stellar AC standards) and nicely balanced handling, just as it was in GPL. Ah, and its bigger brother, the P4 is a pure virtual car porn, that one looks beautiful as ever.

And let's not pretend to be "holier than thou" about model accuracy, as we've got a couple of franken-car abominations in GPL too (yes, Lola T222, I'm looking at you).

Edited by Art-J, Sep 21 2017 - 11:35 AM.

[one2fwee]

The thing is, problems with model accuracy don't just affect it from a visual point of view. The massively too wide tyre will make a big difference in physics in terms of available grip, rolling resistance (top speed) etc.

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And let's not pretend to be "holier than thou" about model accuracy, as we've got a couple of franken-car abominations in GPL too (yes, Lola T222, I'm looking at you).

Could you elaborate on this with specific cars and inaccuracies? I don't wish to cause offence - I know the amount of effort modders put in and the community here goes to far greater lengths to ensure historical accuracy than the other simracing modders (and especially commercial developers). I just wish to inform myself and learn about history and also what to look out for

Edited by one2fwee, Sep 21 2017 - 12:12 PM.

[Gui]

I was actually trying to find the exact 917k which was used for reference by the modder whose model they purchased.

[leon_90]

one2fwee, on Sep 21 2017 - 12:03 PM, said:

The thing is, problems with model accuracy don't just affect it from a visual point of view. The massively too wide tyre will make a big difference in physics in terms of available grip, rolling resistance (top speed) etc.

Physics is fine, drive cars perfectly fine and in a realistic manner. Graphics and physics are two different things. You can model a 312 and have it drive and being affected by wind like a golf cab. They are two completely separate planes, how a model looks does not affect in any way how it drives in our virtual reality. Plus, tyres have been fixed, so

[one2fwee]

Well obviously the visual model and the model the physics used are different but if they are using a car with later, wider wheels for visual then you would assume they also use this information for the physics. And a good implementation should try and make the two match or at least be as close as is realistically possible without tanking the fps.

Are you saying they have now changed the wheel width to approx 190mm front and  240mm rear (and approx tyre tread width to 140mm front and 180mm rear)? At least if this is to be believed: http://www.f1technic...203/ferrari-312

What about the Lotus 49 widths? Will those be corrected to what they used in 67 too?

[Pete Gaimari]

The Lotus had wider wheels than the other cars in 67. I didn't think the AC Lotus wheels looked wrong.