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#141 John Woods

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Posted Sep 10 2018 - 07:53 AM

Plus there is this...Legends of GPL Mod


SV3000, post #137 is too valuable to eventually be lost in this thread.
Perhaps open a new well-tagged thread on the need help forum?

Why not start with the 2004 Demo?


BTW, Anyone, can a demo version be used as an iGOR/VROC race server?
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Edited by John Woods, Sep 10 2018 - 08:02 AM.


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Posted Sep 10 2018 - 10:23 AM

Hi John, thanks for the suggestions and the website, didn't know it before, reading it now, its great :thumbup: thanks for the hard work to all modders. And about 2004 demo, its pretty great, since it comes with graphic/sound modifications, might result conflict if we decide to add new updates on top of them, but other than that, 2004 demo is a good start base, all depends what to include.

Also no worry about my guide post, its just a rephrase of the old way of installing GPL back in days, which somewhere in the forum must already have similar guides.

Edited by SV3000, Sep 10 2018 - 10:29 AM.


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Posted Sep 10 2018 - 04:41 PM

That is wonderful plan you laid out SV3000. I think this is the best way of getting a running GPL install. Pack it into a self extracting zip file and we are done. The only thing I'm missing is any kind of graphic updates, so the game is going to look like 1998, ie https://www.youtube....?v=3C4lrrGgGIM.

That is also the main hangup from my side, since I havn't really updated the cars for the past 10 years. I'm happy with the GPLEA cars. I got no answers when I posed the question in the thread earlier. Since the idea was to show off GPL graphic updates are must from where I stand. Good thing is changing the graphics is easy if they already exist. So I'm going to see if I can get a reliable installer based on your laid out plan, and the rest of you deliberate on the best gfx set for the seven original cars Watkins Glen and Monza, sound like a plan?

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Posted Sep 10 2018 - 06:49 PM

I agree, GPLEA cars is good enough, and it has good consistency (2004 demo already has all the GPLEA cars updates, just need update other stuff to the latest). However they are not visually as stunning as those newly ones (such as Thomas' car updates, and other stuff in '67 Car Addons sub-forum, but they may not look as consistency), since some replies in this thread mentioned that they wanted the game to look great and attractive (though imo, real sim racers always pick gameplay over graphics, can't really convince non-sim racer to enjoy something as hardcore as GPL). Alternatively, like many have mentioned, use the "GPL-67 Historical Mod". Or "Legends of GPL Mod" that John has mentioned (which are better provided as extra addons).

But I'm not representative here, better having a poll voting, or find a representative to decide where to go and proceed the plan (and sorting out permissions).

Edit: the plan is good enough for me: GPLEA cars + track updates for watkins and monza + 67 Complete Soundset maybe + new rasterisers & 1.3 patch & some essential patches + documents and permissions.

Edit2: since 1.3 patch and other GEM+ patches involve modifying exe and redistribution, not sure if it's legal or not :(, if not, then we have to give up those extra patches and put in a simple guide on how to install GEM+ and patches (if the player decides to try new tracks/mods that requires 1.3)

Edit3: if 1.3 patch can't make into new demo, then maybe better just stick with 2004 demo, but do some minor updates & fix (graphics, sound), including new rasterisers (important), revise old documents (remove outdated information) and add a quickstart guide. This however is probably the easiest solution.

Sidenote: MD5 check of gpl.exe from 2004 demo is different compare to the ones found in GPL_v1.2.0.2(US)all-in-one_2.3_patch or GPL_v1.2.0.2(UK)all-in-one_2.3_patch (they are all version 1.2.0.2), not sure if it is necessary to replace it if we decide to use 2004 as base.
B63573B8EA3658F2D5064D81028913B0 | gpl.exe (2004 demo)
35E70B46719E9259619B613A95EA099F | gpl.exe (GPL_v1.2.0.2(US)all-in-one_2.3_patch)
6377EAAA7F2F1397EC2152B72C7445A8 | gpl.exe (GPL_v1.2.0.2(UK)all-in-one_2.3_patch)

Edited by SV3000, Sep 11 2018 - 04:19 AM.


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Posted Oct 08 2018 - 07:39 AM

View PostSV3000, on Sep 10 2018 - 06:49 PM, said:

But I'm not representative here, better having a poll voting, or find a representative to decide where to go and proceed the plan (and sorting out permissions).

Please read or re-read the Modder's Manifesto, somewhere here...
Not a criticism...trying rather to be encouraging.
If everyone had in the past waited on consensus we would have half of one unfinished track in the add-on database.
Well maybe two and half but no database.


How about a full spectrum YT Grand Prix Legends 2018 Demo Video featuring all Mods, all capabilities, and all resources? A Demo movie could take the whole scope of GPL load off the Demo.

Then a dedicated as discussed here 2018/19 Demo, (enhanced 2004), and a download site featuring links to select add-ons?



That could be a nice belated birthday present.
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Edited by John Woods, Oct 08 2018 - 08:02 AM.


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Posted Oct 09 2018 - 05:11 AM

Thanks John :thumbup:  totally agreed with you, GPL could really use a new and better community driven promotion video(and couple with new demo), especially for the 20th anniversary.

The reason I mentioned "representative" stuff was because GPL community has far greater amount of very experienced and capable modders (all the great works modders made in the past 20 yrs) who can definitely make this demo dream come true (and perfectly with years of experience), but still this demo thing hasn't progressed at all. So all I can think of is the few reasons (don't mean to against anyone):
No one cares, or have the time;
Everyone is waiting for the big guy to do it;
Afraid of legal issue if there's any;
The long-troubled-historic modding permission controversial that made most people not willing to deal with;
Secret project has already been undergoing (best wish).

PS: Really do hope new demo could be made possible. Recently I made a full length GPL installation and configuration guide for the Chinese community, and there are people interested in, even though only a few, also did bring out a few silent die-hard GPL fans :lol: .

Also if anyone interested, this is my Chinese GPL guide: http://bbs.srfc.com....read&tid=182128

Edited by SV3000, Oct 09 2018 - 05:38 AM.


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Posted Oct 11 2018 - 03:17 AM

So, another two days have passed... here is a bit more constructive thoughts:

1. The new demo is definitely gonna need car updates, and since most car updates are built upon GPLEA's base, so it inevitably requires permission from GPLEA (consider so many years have passed, don't know how hard is it to do this, I'm not optimistic on this one.)

2. Same reason as above, if new demo is based on 2004 DEMO, a full permission from GPLEA is maybe needed.

3. (speculation) Since manipulating original game files is considered not legal, it's gonna be quite impossible to integrate 67 patch 1.3 and other essential patches that greatly enhanced GPL experience, UNLESS somehow someone developed a patching program to do the same thing as GEM+ does. Otherwise "extract and play" user friendly demo is impossible, too much to give up.

4. If somehow all the above are not issues (maybe no one owning GPL rights any more and no one cares about copyright), then all we need is a list of things (yes this was discussed and repeated many times already in this thread) required and to be done to make the demo happen, as simple as that. And this would require community input, especially from experienced players and modders. So if anyone interested in a new demo, or willing to help get more new players into GPL, please don't remain silence, and say something (people like to share things they love, that's why this game is still alive, right?).

Not much left to say. If this thread still managed to sink Twenty Thousand Leagues Under the Seas, then it just further proved my point in the previous post (prove me wrong ;) ).

Edited by SV3000, Oct 11 2018 - 03:18 AM.





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