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#1 singionhawk - guest

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Posted Jul 02 2020 - 02:00 AM

Hi all

can the steering ratio be lower than 5-1
having a hard time getting around the last harpin at monaco running a logitech g920 wheel


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#2 lorenzo

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Posted Jul 02 2020 - 03:31 AM

Try to reduce your max angle with the Logitech Profiler. I know you give up a little bit in resolution then, but I found it easier to work with in GPL. E.g. I have set the max. angle at 540° (or was it 400° ???) to match the turning of the wheel on the screen and have the ratio set to between 8:1 and 10:1. I haven't run Moncao for a while but I think I went with 7:1 there.

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Posted Jul 02 2020 - 04:05 AM

i have a Logitech  and i use a 240 degree of rotation setting , and then in the game  i use a steering ratio between  16/1  to 12/1  no need to go lower then that

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Posted Jul 02 2020 - 04:19 AM

I do recommend 540 degrees rotation and using generally 8:1 for most tracks. For Monaco 7:1 will make the hairpins easier, for very fast tracks 9:1 works better being smoother in the fast corners. Also using 100% linearity (slider to utmost left) and not using steering hack (which is only for wheels with 180-270 degrees rotation, in order to make the hairpins).

View PostKARTM, on Jul 02 2020 - 04:05 AM, said:

i have a Logitech  and i use a 240 degree of rotation setting , and then in the game  i use a steering ratio between  16/1  to 12/1  no need to go lower then that

This way you can only make the hairpins using steering hack in core.ini, and that's really not the way to go. ;)

Steering hack in core.ini:

[ Hack ]
steer_ratio= 0 ; Speed sensitive steering ratio below 60 MPH
; Allows sharper turns at low speeds.
; 0 = No 1 = Yes *

Edited by Robert Fleurke, Jul 02 2020 - 08:14 AM.


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Posted Jul 02 2020 - 08:39 AM

To get a lower ratio in GPL Setup Manager, open GPLSecrets\GPL Setup Manager\67 Setup Data.ini (for the 67 cars) and change the line:

SteerRatio,5,16,20,1,1

Where, I think, 5 is the lowest allowable number, 16 is default and 20 is maximum.

But I use 900° rotation and 6:1 ratio with no problems, so I wouldn't advise going lower than 5:1

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Posted Jul 02 2020 - 08:40 AM

I use 280 and 6:1 most of the time for all mods
No steering hack.

That is probably one of the reasons I am slower than you :)


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Posted Jul 02 2020 - 09:38 AM

270 and 12:1 :)

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Posted Jul 02 2020 - 11:14 AM

g27; 900º : 5-1

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Posted Jul 02 2020 - 12:17 PM

Sounds like your wheel is set to the default 900 degrees indeed, which is way too high.

I use 450 degrees with 8:1 steering ratio, just personal preference. Also like others have mentoined, make sure to untick the steering hack.
On my install it was enabled by default, which was fine for a gamepad but felt strange with a wheel.

Edited by Millennium, Jul 02 2020 - 12:22 PM.


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Posted Jul 02 2020 - 03:55 PM

540 degrees in Thrustmaster settings.
8:1 in GPL for all cars/mods and linearity to full left.

Edited by Stefan Roess, Jul 02 2020 - 03:56 PM.


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Posted Jul 03 2020 - 01:13 AM

One thing I realized is that Logi Profiler would not start GPL or N2k3 with its start button. Path is set correctly. Also it would not recognize game specific settings for GPL and N2k3. So I have to set the global settings to what I want for these two and assign 900° in the game specifics for all other games. Anybody an idea why GPL and N2k3 don't cooperate with Logi profiler?

Thanks!

Edited by lorenzo, Jul 03 2020 - 01:14 AM.


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Posted Jul 03 2020 - 02:34 AM

View Postlorenzo, on Jul 03 2020 - 01:13 AM, said:

One thing I realized is that Logi Profiler would not start GPL or N2k3 with its start button. Path is set correctly. Also it would not recognize game specific settings for GPL and N2k3. So I have to set the global settings to what I want for these two and assign 900° in the game specifics for all other games. Anybody an idea why GPL and N2k3 don't cooperate with Logi profiler?

Thanks!

Hi Lorenzo.

Not sure about N2k3 as I wouldn't know how you have it setup on your pc

But I think the reason for GPL being unable to be started from the profiler is that to start a game you need to create a profile.

For GPL you need to create a profile for every GPL.exe in the GPL folder.

And I'm not even sure how many of those there are now without counting.

Each mod and I think big updates such as 1.2 and 1.3 have their own .exe

I think this may be the reason.

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Posted Jul 03 2020 - 03:11 AM

I have recently followed Stefan and others advice and changed my original settings from 380-420 degrees in profiler with usually anything from a steering ratio of 5-8. With the steering hack on. And the original GEM FF,latency and damping figures. Had used these since about 1999-2000.

I'm now using 520-540 degrees. And a s/r of between 9 and 12.

But have settled on 540deg and 9. Without steering hack.

My in game (core.ini) & GEM+ FF settings are:

steering hack = NO
Enabled FF = Yes
FF Latency = .085
FF Damping = 5
FF Max force = 400

It feels really natural. If I allow steering wheel and arms in game then they are moving in synch etc.

And general driving has become really nice. FF feels great and I can provoke slides and 4xwheel drift much easier. Control of slide and skids have been transformed from strange jumpy and jerky wheel movements to something very, very realistic feeling.

GPL is now even better and far more like the real thing. It has improved my enjoyment and my immersion loads.

Side effect being my times are again dropping and my laptimes and races are so more consistent

Paul.

Edited by paul_v, Jul 03 2020 - 03:14 AM.


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Posted Jul 03 2020 - 01:30 PM

View Postpaul_v, on Jul 03 2020 - 03:11 AM, said:

I have recently followed Stefan and others advice and changed my original settings from 380-420 degrees in profiler with usually anything from a steering ratio of 5-8. With the steering hack on. And the original GEM FF,latency and damping figures. Had used these since about 1999-2000.

I'm now using 520-540 degrees. And a s/r of between 9 and 12.

But have settled on 540deg and 9. Without steering hack.

My in game (core.ini) & GEM+ FF settings are:

steering hack = NO
Enabled FF = Yes
FF Latency = .085
FF Damping = 5
FF Max force = 400

It feels really natural. If I allow steering wheel and arms in game then they are moving in synch etc.

And general driving has become really nice. FF feels great and I can provoke slides and 4xwheel drift much easier. Control of slide and skids have been transformed from strange jumpy and jerky wheel movements to something very, very realistic feeling.

GPL is now even better and far more like the real thing. It has improved my enjoyment and my immersion loads.

Side effect being my times are again dropping and my laptimes and races are so more consistent

Paul.

Nice one, I hope others take also notice of your post. :)

I agree 540 degrees with around 8:1 strg ratio gives the most natural and immersive feel. ;)

Edited by Robert Fleurke, Jul 03 2020 - 01:41 PM.


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Posted Jul 03 2020 - 03:13 PM

View Postlorenzo, on Jul 03 2020 - 01:13 AM, said:

One thing I realized is that Logi Profiler would not start GPL or N2k3 with its start button. Path is set correctly. Also it would not recognize game specific settings for GPL and N2k3. So I have to set the global settings to what I want for these two and assign 900° in the game specifics for all other games. Anybody an idea why GPL and N2k3 don't cooperate with Logi profiler?

Thanks!

If it worked in the past my only suggestion is to check your anti-malware programs.  If this is a new install my first thoughts are install location (not in Program Files), run as administrator for all pertinent exes, temporarily disable DEP and see if it works.

Since Vista windows considers any attempt by one program to modify files of another program to be possible malware action, so blocks it;  this is more prevalent in Program Files but can occur with programs anywhere on the system.  Programs can be whitelisted in DEP, but there is a major "Catch-22" here:  you don't know you need to whitelist the program unless DEP has already blocked it, but once blocked you cannot whitelist it because DEP considers that to be malware action also;  there is a convoluted process to give yourself access to hidden registry entries for DEP (hidden so malware cannot access them), remove the block, exit the registry, reinstate the access limits, then whitelist the program before running it again.  I found it much simpler to just disable DEP in Vista and Win7;  no experience with this is in Win8 or Win10, but both do have DEP.

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Posted Jul 06 2020 - 04:23 PM

I just tried this with G27 wheel and it worked fantastically well.

steering hack = NO
Enabled FF = Yes
FF Latency = .085
FF Damping = 5
FF Max force = 400
Ratio 8:1

540° rotation.

Feels really responsive and natural around the dunes of Zandvort

Edited by Tobodestroyer2020, Jul 06 2020 - 04:28 PM.


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Posted Jul 06 2020 - 05:32 PM

View PostTobodestroyer2020, on Jul 06 2020 - 04:23 PM, said:

I just tried this with G27 wheel and it worked fantastically well.

steering hack = NO
Enabled FF = Yes
FF Latency = .085
FF Damping = 5
FF Max force = 400
Ratio 8:1

540° rotation.

Feels really responsive and natural around the dunes of Zandvort

Exactly what I'm using now.

I forgot to mention in my post that my wheel is also a G27.

These settings are perfect for the G25 too.

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Posted Jul 07 2020 - 01:14 AM

Just out of interest, Paul.. Do you keep them the same or do you change them depending on the Mod youre driving? (So far I've only driven the F2s with this set-up.)

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Posted Jul 07 2020 - 07:15 AM

View PostTobodestroyer2020, on Jul 07 2020 - 01:14 AM, said:

Just out of interest, Paul.. Do you keep them the same or do you change them depending on the Mod youre driving? (So far I've only driven the F2s with this set-up.)

Hi,

Only thing I ever change is the steering ratio setting in the GPL car setups within the game or via setup manager.

I generally use 9:1, but for more open fast circuits with flowing corners 10 or 11:1 feels much nicer and a little less sharp. Perhaps a little less "quick" is a better description. As I now find with my settings at 9:1 steering is faster but NOT twitchy.

And drop it to as much as 7:1 for the likes of Monaco .

Paul

I do though like to try the ffb2 and ffb3 patches with these settings. It's even better then.



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Posted Jul 07 2020 - 07:56 AM

I just short calibrate in GPL. About 1/2 turn of the wheel and then use 15-1 in my setups. It works for me.

I don't like slow steering.




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