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#1 MLGathome

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Posted Jul 25 2019 - 03:47 AM

Found this interview on YouTube. At 10:50 he starts talking about legendary GPL.

https://www.youtube....h?v=Xd6ZtQkKUM4

Greetings, Marcel

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Posted Jul 25 2019 - 06:00 AM

Thanks for the link and I enjoyed listening to the interview.  Wish Dave had spent more time on GPL, but iRacing is now his bread and butter so it was natural for him to talk more about that.

Didn't learn anything we didn't already know, but it's always good to confirm things.  And also good to hear that GPL is still considered a legend.  :)

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Posted Jul 25 2019 - 07:09 AM

Lee, I can almost see you salivating over all of the tire model talk. B)

Marcel, thank you for posting this link to Dave's interview. :thumbup:

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Posted Jul 25 2019 - 02:16 PM

Yes, the tire model is something that Dave worked very hard for iRacing.  Not that GPL's model is necessarily bad, but when it was written, Dave didn't have as much info on how a tire behaves at the limit.  For iRacing, he did a lot of real world tire testing from which he apparently gleaned a lot of useful info.

Now if he would just share it with us.... :)

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Posted Jul 26 2019 - 12:00 AM

I wonder if he knows how GPL evolved over the last 20 years.
In other so called informative shows about today's sim racing news, they only rever to the newer titles.
When an iconic track is released after 14 years building by one man, and a few helpers, there is no mentioning at all. Despite two mails to the show.

Greetings, Marcel

Edited by MLGathome, Jul 26 2019 - 12:01 AM.


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Posted Jul 26 2019 - 06:13 AM

“...When an iconic track is released after 14 years building by one man, and a few helpers, there is no mentioning at all...“

It's simply a shame... And so “speaking“ about our world...

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Posted Jul 26 2019 - 08:35 AM

View Postdb312, on Jul 26 2019 - 06:13 AM, said:

“...When an iconic track is released after 14 years building by one man, and a few helpers, there is no mentioning at all...“

It's simply a shame... And so “speaking“ about our world...

True, Dave has no obligation to honor the people who continue his legacy but it would be nice if big milestones like that would get some more recognition outside our community.

Edited by Millennium, Jul 26 2019 - 08:36 AM.


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Posted Jul 26 2019 - 11:53 AM

I  wonder if he isn't a trifle envious of the outstanding level GPL editors and contributors have taken his creation to today .....

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Posted Jul 26 2019 - 11:58 AM

I was not refering to Dave Kaemmer but others who bring us new sim racing news in there shows. They are only interested in the newer sims.

Greetings, Marcel

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Posted Jul 26 2019 - 02:34 PM

If someone was prepared to do it. Why doesn't someone contact iRacing through social media and ask to do a piece on GPL today 🤔🤭😁👍🙏 Part of the downshift series 🏁😎

TP: 🏎️

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Posted Jul 27 2019 - 03:55 AM

Thank you for the link, Marcel!
That was interesting to listen to.

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Meanwhile I have 2 times sent (the 1st one on the release day) a message to
https://www.bsimracing.com/
to let them know about the release of the full Isle of Man track and asked them if they could mention it in their news, but nothing happened yet.
In the past they reported about spa67 and 55 mod.

Edited by Stefan Roess, Jul 27 2019 - 03:56 AM.


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Posted Jul 27 2019 - 03:49 PM

View Posttwinpotter, on Jul 26 2019 - 02:34 PM, said:

If someone was prepared to do it. Why doesn't someone contact iRacing through social media and ask to do a piece on GPL today Part of the downshift series

TP: ️

Oh, that's quite simple, really... people would start to realize that an almost 30-years-old piece of software, when it's taken good care of by a really competent and passionate community, can outpace their overpriced game by a long shot. That would spell DISASTER for Kaemmer's gig... especially when one recalls that in the olden times it was Doug Arnao doing the checks for realism ;)

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Posted Jul 30 2019 - 04:40 AM

Kaemmer went full commercial. He is not interested in GPL anymore.

Neither should GPL community be interested in him.

Two different worlds with nothing in common.

Other than the ownership of the code...

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Posted Jul 31 2019 - 02:49 PM

 dario, on Jul 30 2019 - 04:40 AM, said:

Kaemmer went full commercial. He is not interested in GPL anymore.

Neither should GPL community be interested in him.

Two different worlds with nothing in common.

Other than the ownership of the code...

Was GPL itself not a commercial product, lol?

Not sure that's the best attitude to take, dario.

Why should he still be interested in GPL?  He and his crew built and released GPL more than 21 years ago.  It isn't realistic to expect the original developers to keep slavishly obligating themselves to this antique just because a few of us choose to keep using it.  He's moved on and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that.

You make it sound as though there's something wrong with moving forward and creating new things.

Edited by Treetop64, Jul 31 2019 - 02:54 PM.


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Posted Jul 31 2019 - 03:57 PM

We have moved on and created new things beyond imagining.  We have super-detailed carsets that encompass complete F1 years.  We have super-detailed tracks for the period that these cars raced.

We have made a time machine that has utterly endless possibilities.

A call-out to this community would be a nod to those of us that have kept this sim moving forwards and an enticement to those who love the golden years of F1 and other formula.

Edited by gliebzeit, Jul 31 2019 - 07:49 PM.


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Posted Jul 31 2019 - 07:41 PM

Spot on Greg ...but.. it is what it is
..and ours to enjoy..

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Posted Aug 01 2019 - 04:18 AM

It is ours now. Well perhaps not legally regarding the code 🤔

It would be nice though for David to acknowledge, recognise and commend the positive development over the years 🤭

After all it was his baby some years ago and surely he is still passionate enough about it to comment on its positive development. Rather than ignore the latter and treat it as the forgotten son 🙏

TP:

Edited by twinpotter, Aug 01 2019 - 04:23 AM.


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Posted Aug 01 2019 - 06:58 AM

 Treetop64, on Jul 31 2019 - 02:49 PM, said:



Was GPL itself not a commercial product, lol?

Not sure that's the best attitude to take, dario.

Why should he still be interested in GPL?  He and his crew built and released GPL more than 21 years ago.  It isn't realistic to expect the original developers to keep slavishly obligating themselves to this antique just because a few of us choose to keep using it.  He's moved on and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that.

You make it sound as though there's something wrong with moving forward and creating new things.

Yes. It is wrong. I joined iRacing some 5 years ago. And I decided it is the waste of my time and money.

I always felt Kaemmer owe us Indycar racing 3 and 4 maybe even 5

And GPL2

He produced amazing simulations and than just stopped.

iRacing is not what we wanted. We wanted simulation. With cars, drivers from real life, with championships and complete rooster of tracks.

We wanted Reynard and Portland and Kaemmer gave us Solstice and Lime Rock.

For me there will always be a huuge void where Indycar racing 3 and 4 should have been.

And only thanks to this great community there is no void where GPL2 should have been



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Posted Aug 01 2019 - 08:24 AM

 dario, on Aug 01 2019 - 06:58 AM, said:

Yes. It is wrong. I joined iRacing some 5 years ago. And I decided it is the waste of my time and money.

I always felt Kaemmer owe us Indycar racing 3 and 4 maybe even 5

And GPL2

He produced amazing simulations and than just stopped.

iRacing is not what we wanted. We wanted simulation. With cars, drivers from real life, with championships and complete rooster of tracks.

We wanted Reynard and Portland and Kaemmer gave us Solstice and Lime Rock.

For me there will always be a huuge void where Indycar racing 3 and 4 should have been.

And only thanks to this great community there is no void where GPL2 should have been


Your own feelings and opinions are fine, but doesn't mean Kaemmer owes us anything.  Because he doesn't.

...and there have been a multitude of excellent racing sims that have come out in the years since GPL, as well as excellent quality third-party mods for many of those products, so it hasn't exactly been a desert in the sim racing world, has it?

Count your blessings.

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Posted Aug 02 2019 - 06:33 AM

he did what everybody else was doing in those days, following what was the commercial path of the day, then as time went on things progressed to a point that it became a different business,
so he was presented with a chance to do a new product that could if commercialized properly ( to him) generate money continuously, giving him  the backing to keep working and evolving and keep bringing money in, anybody would have done the same things, perhaps not exactly but along the same lines

in the beginning on basically any racing title or anything that could use some first hand technical help, assistance and info, people were there at the other end of the phone, happy to talk about it, then it became a different story, and usually the conversations changed to something like, " hello there, how much are you gonna pay me ?"  or everything was getting a fee




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