This is a quite old post. Nevertheless I want to give some comments about the discussion above since I like very much the different conversions of the Monza track and they are part of my absolute favourite tracks for GPL .
- by driving on the different versions of this track it is clear that the geometry of the standard part of the 10k and 1000km variants are identical to the standard Papyrus version. There are only differences in the graphical quality of the objects and textures on both sides of the race track. The same for the newer Monza Junior variant of the Monza track. The quality of the available graphical updates especially by Thomas Laechele are outstanding.That there was some disagreement on the identity of the track geometries shows to me how important the quality of the textures is for a perfect immersion. The over all impression becomes quite different even though the track physics and geometry remain unchanged. That's the reason why I am not using the Monza67 conversion mentioned above. The differences in driving on this track are quite minor to the Papy version and I see no reason why this track should be closer to the reality. The overal impression is not convincing due to the odd environment and the textures. Probably this project was never brought to an end.
- although Ginetto in my opinion is a track design god I would disagree with him that the Papy and 10k/1000km conversions of the Monza track are "fantasy tracks" displaying a completely wrong layout (#27). I have no information about the real geometry in the 50's/60's but if you compare onboard movies of the track to the GPL conversions in my opinion the simulation looks quite convincing. In the following I will provide some youtube links where the historical layout can be seen very well:
- of course the Monza racing scenes of "Grand Prix" displaying the 10k track in its 1966 shape. Spectacular onboard scenes.
- in the very bad Grand Prix remake „Formula 1 nell'inferno del grand prix“ there are displayed some training laps at the standard Monza track (min. 32 onwards) probably in the year 1968 or 1969. The resolulion (and the overall quality) of the movie is low, nevertheless the layout of the curva grande, the Lesmos and the Parabolica can be seen clearly.
- There is a onboard movie available displaying two training laps driven by Jaques Laffite in 1978. Of course in this era the original track is yet destroyed by 3 chicanes and there are much mor guardrails. But the layout of the curva grande, the Lesmos and the Parabolica was unchanged.
- if you want to compare the 10k/1000km oval with reality there are several movies available displaying its status in 1957 (onboard, quite new state) and nowadays (e.g. a biking tour, representing the status of the oval after its closure round about 1970 with remains of the 1000km chicanes)
So looking at these movies I think the layout of the Papy, 10k, and 1000km conversions of the track look quite convincing and accurate to me. The only real difference I can recognize is that the vegetation in reality was even more dense and closer to the race track especially at the Lesmos.
But guys: compared to modern race tracks. What a difference! These were real race tracks.....