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#1 bingo

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Posted Jun 01 2012 - 09:19 AM

I have just installed thomas lachele's version of monza 10k.

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Is there any way of editing monza 10k so that it has the 67 layout?
The current version just looks so dark and grey in comparison to the bright sunshine of 10k, and it is slightly less detailed.

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Edited by bingo, Jun 01 2012 - 09:20 AM.


#2 jxeboy

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Posted Jun 01 2012 - 10:40 AM

I would also love this :D

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Posted Jun 01 2012 - 11:20 AM

There are several skies around for 67Monza. Mine's not gloomy and dark. (It comes with the 1.04 Installer).
Unpack the 10K and copy/paste its sky.3do and horizon files if you like it the most. You can as easily copy other texture files also if they have the same name and size, or just re-name them.
Brighten your monitor? I use "3deep" to optimize display.  Don't know if its still around online tho.

Edited by John Woods, Jun 01 2012 - 11:28 AM.


#4 bingo

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Posted Jun 01 2012 - 12:17 PM

View PostJohn Woods, on Jun 01 2012 - 11:20 AM, said:

There are several skies around for 67Monza. Mine's not gloomy and dark. (It comes with the 1.04 Installer).

Which version is that? Where can I get this version (separately)?

View PostJohn Woods, on Jun 01 2012 - 11:20 AM, said:

Unpack the 10K and copy/paste its sky.3do and horizon files if you like it the most. You can as easily copy other texture files also if they have the same name and size, or just re-name them.
Brighten your monitor? I use "3deep" to optimize display.  Don't know if its still around online tho.

Thanks, but I meant keeping the 10k .3do (the 3d model of the track is more detailed in most places), thomas lachele's textures and horizon but just removing the cones in the middle and making the layout work as it did in 67.
Just blocking off the banking and moving the cones and AI would do! (although there are too many people in the pits at 10k)

Edited by bingo, Jun 01 2012 - 12:21 PM.


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Posted Jun 01 2012 - 01:09 PM

View Postbingo, on Jun 01 2012 - 12:17 PM, said:

Thanks, but I meant keeping the 10k .3do (the 3d model of the track is more detailed in most places), thomas lachele's textures and horizon but just removing the cones in the middle and making the layout work as it did in 67.
Just blocking off the banking and moving the cones and AI would do! (although there are too many people in the pits at 10k)
It doesn't work that way. The track is a loop and the section where the inner and outer loop meet are different sections of the track. When you drive the outer loop and get to the inner loop section that part is a track side view and not the inner loop. The inner loop has the same setup e.g. the outer loop you see is not the actual track but just a track side part.
To attach the inner and outer loop you would need the built files of the author as well.

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Posted Jun 01 2012 - 01:23 PM

I'm with bingo on this one.  You can copy Thomas’ files to the Monza folder and it will work (after a little work on the track edges), but it only goes to highlight the differences between the 2 tracks.  Monza, with its horrible blocky tree rows and lack of shadows, just looks plain and old fashioned.  10k looks fabulous by comparison, especially with Thomas’ beautiful textures.  In fact, I would now say that this is the best looking GPL track and the one I would use to show off the game (if only it stopped locking up when viewing replays).

To my untrained eye, the layout of the main GP circuit appeared identical, so I had been thinking the same as bingo, could 10K not be converted back into Monza?  As Mech’s explained, it’s not that easy, which is unfortunate, but does anyone know if john Basara is still around and whether he might be willing to make the necessary changes, or be prepared to pass the needed files onto a willing volunteer (any takers)?

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Posted Jun 01 2012 - 01:43 PM

The reason that 10K looks good is probably the same reason it doesn't run smooth for everybody.

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Posted Jun 03 2012 - 09:10 AM

The monza in 10k is much more accurate than the papyrus monza.

I had heard that a cut down version of the 10k monza was floating about (monza67 or something) that was in essence, 10k without the oval. Unfortunately, this doesn't appear to have been released anywhere. I can only guess it was released in some kind of beta format to certain people. Not really sure?

Nevertheless, it would be a nice release - to have more realistic original papyrus tracks is something we can all hope for :)

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Posted Jun 03 2012 - 09:45 AM

The monza 10k racetrack part is the same exact layout as papyrus original; sorry to contradict you  :wave:

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Posted Jun 03 2012 - 01:56 PM

View PostGinetto, on Jun 03 2012 - 09:45 AM, said:

The monza 10k racetrack part is the same exact layout as papyrus original; sorry to contradict you  :wave:
Are you sure? I'm not. Curva Grande an Lesmo's are different.

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Posted Jun 03 2012 - 01:59 PM

same exact curvatures and radii, to the unit :)
A realistic monza would have been far different.

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Edited by Ginetto, Jun 03 2012 - 02:15 PM.


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Posted Jun 03 2012 - 03:55 PM

View PostGinetto, on Jun 03 2012 - 01:59 PM, said:

same exact curvatures and radii, to the unit :)
A realistic monza would have been far different.

Wrong one Ginetto. He means this one, http://www.dixierunn...s.net/monza10k/ , which is different.

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Posted Jun 03 2012 - 04:01 PM

View PostGinetto, on Jun 03 2012 - 01:59 PM, said:

same exact curvatures and radii, to the unit :)
A realistic monza would have been far different.
:shock: I alway think Monza10k has nothing common with original Monza from Papyrus. I'm suprised.

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Posted Jun 04 2012 - 04:36 AM

View Postrjk, on Jun 03 2012 - 03:55 PM, said:

...Wrong one Ginetto. He means this one, http://www.dixierunn...s.net/monza10k/ , which is different.
Is the same as far as the common part, believe me, I know what I'm talking about ;)

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Posted Jun 04 2012 - 05:00 AM

;)

Edited by Roo, Jun 19 2012 - 10:24 AM.


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Posted Jun 04 2012 - 05:13 AM

View Postrjk, on Jun 03 2012 - 03:55 PM, said:

View PostGinetto, on Jun 03 2012 - 01:59 PM, said:

same exact curvatures and radii, to the unit :)
A realistic monza would have been far different.

Wrong one Ginetto. He means this one, http://www.dixierunn...s.net/monza10k/ , which is different.

Um, the right track in the combined image (left) shows a monza with the banked loop e.g. the 10k version  :blink:
Or are there more 10k's floating around  :confused:

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Edited by MECH, Jun 04 2012 - 05:13 AM.


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Posted Jun 04 2012 - 05:37 AM

There is much more accurate version of Monza (not Monza10K) around and it was made while the 1965 F1 mod was being done. It is narrower than Papyrus´ Monza and also most of the turns have different geometry. Now sure who made it, but I think Richard Cooke did. Actually, the track looks great but it has no buildings nor objects around, except trees and fences.
It would be great if this track sees the light of day someday I think :)

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Posted Jun 04 2012 - 05:55 AM

View PostMECH, on Jun 04 2012 - 05:13 AM, said:

Um, the right track in the combined image (left) shows a monza with the banked loop e.g. the 10k version  :blink:
Or are there more 10k's floating around  :confused:
The track on the right of the combined image has chicanes, it's Ginetto's Monza 1000k. But of course it's based on John Basara's 10k so the geometry's the same :)

Edited by Phil, Jun 04 2012 - 05:56 AM.


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Posted Jun 04 2012 - 08:38 AM

View PostArturo Pereira, on Jun 04 2012 - 05:37 AM, said:

There is much more accurate version of Monza (not Monza10K) around and it was made while the 1965 F1 mod was being done. It is narrower than Papyrus´ Monza and also most of the turns have different geometry. Now sure who made it, but I think Richard Cooke did. Actually, the track looks great but it has no buildings nor objects around, except trees and fences.
It would be great if this track sees the light of day someday I think :)

I agree. I'd love to see all the Papy tracks made more accurately, or at least the ones that need it. Probably just a dream.

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Posted Jun 06 2012 - 04:08 PM

Hmm what is your second image showing Ginetto? A second picture of papyrus Monza? or something different?

I just tried them in comparison again, and there do appear to be differences.
Maybe the radii and curvature of the corners are the same, but they feel different to drive.

The camber of curva grande is significantly reduced in monza 10k - it's much less of a "throw it in and let the camber take you around".

Also, the elevation changes between lesmos and vialone seem smoother, although that could be due to a better draw distance.

Vialone itself, although probably not different, tricks you into thinking that it is, by how the outer barriers have been slightly altered.

At first i thought i remembered that the 10k version was quite a bit narrower, but on trying it again, they actually seem about the same width, so i cannot tell.

So, all in all, i guess the differences are not as great as i first though, but they do make a difference to drive it.
Unless i am just being completely mad?

Thanks :)

Edited by one2fwee, Jun 06 2012 - 04:09 PM.





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