Jump to content


- - - - -

Eye Strain - What Might Be The Best Strategies To Avoid It?

eye strain monitor settings gaming glasses monitor filters

  • Please log in to reply
24 replies to this topic

#1 Pedro L Ramalho

Pedro L Ramalho

    Denny Hulme

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 56 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Sintra, Portugal
  • Interests:Historic Formula 1
  • Sim interest:GPL

Posted Feb 11 2018 - 07:28 AM

Does anyone suffer of eye strain when playing, let's say GPL, for more than an hour? What might be the best strategies to avoid it?  Monitor settings (brightness, contrast, gamma, color)? Gaming glasses? Monitor filters?
Thank you!
Pedro

#2 Millennium

Millennium

    Roger Williamson

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 384 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:The Netherlands
  • Interests:GPL
  • Sim interest:GPL

Posted Feb 11 2018 - 08:29 AM

Lowering you brightness reduces eye strain greatly. Also some kind of yellow filter can help you to get better sleep afterwards when you play in the evening. Blue light makes your brain think it's still daytime. I often wear yellow glasses and I always put my monitor on the the lowest possible brightness setting.

Edited by Millennium, Feb 11 2018 - 08:51 AM.


#3 Pete Gaimari

Pete Gaimari

    Jim Clark

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 3,536 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Colorado
  • Interests:Racing and Muzzleloader Hunting
  • Sim interest:GPL

Posted Feb 11 2018 - 09:51 AM

Drink a lot of water and force yourself to blink a lot when racing. Staring dries your eyes out.

#4 Cookie

Cookie

    Chris Amon Fan

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 865 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:SW Germany near Hockenheim
  • Interests:Historic Motorsport, F1, MotoGP
  • Sim interest:GPL

Posted Feb 11 2018 - 10:26 AM

I do no longer race with 36fps!

60fps are way better for your eyes,
our great guru is working on a 72fps patch to work better with AIs...

#5 Millennium

Millennium

    Roger Williamson

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 384 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:The Netherlands
  • Interests:GPL
  • Sim interest:GPL

Posted Feb 11 2018 - 11:19 AM

View PostCookie, on Feb 11 2018 - 10:26 AM, said:

I do no longer race with 36fps!

60fps are way better for your eyes,
our great guru is working on a 72fps patch to work better with AIs...

Cool, that would be great!

#6 JonnyA

JonnyA

    Perry McCarthy

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 591 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Dorset, UK
  • Interests:Historic motor sport, sailing, astrophotography
  • Sim interest:GPL

Posted Feb 11 2018 - 12:37 PM

View PostCookie, on Feb 11 2018 - 10:26 AM, said:

I do no longer race with 36fps!

60fps are way better for your eyes,
our great guru is working on a 72fps patch to work better with AIs...

Oh, please!

#7 leon_90

leon_90

    Lorenzo Bandini

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,430 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Italy/Puglia
  • Interests:everything that has a Ferrari V12 inside
  • Sim interest:GPL and P&G

Posted Feb 11 2018 - 02:30 PM

View PostCookie, on Feb 11 2018 - 10:26 AM, said:

our great guru is working on a 72fps patch to work better with AIs...

:D

Posted Image

#8 Pedro L Ramalho

Pedro L Ramalho

    Denny Hulme

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 56 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Sintra, Portugal
  • Interests:Historic Formula 1
  • Sim interest:GPL

Posted Feb 11 2018 - 03:38 PM

Thank you so much Millenium, Pete Gaimari and Axel Cookie for your help.

Big, big improvement today with your suggestions!

1) Brightness: I already had it low (40%) before, but now I reduced it to zero like Millenium suggests, and yes, it reduced that "burning eyes" feeling;

2) 60FMS: huge difference this one. I immediately felt the difference after just 10 seconds of driving. I had 60fmsv2 installed in GEM but never selected that option; I never though that this could influence so deeply our eye strain (I was just happy with 36FMS based on the fact that the human eye can't perceive much more than that and didn't relate it to eye strain). Thanks a lot Axel for this one!

3) Eye blinking: it's true, the more demanding the track (like Nurburgring, for instance), the more I tend to not blink the eyes and the more I suffer of eye strain. For now on I will force it. Thank you, Pete.

The only suggestion I haven't tried yet is the yellow filter that Millenium refers, but with these 3 measures I already feel that I have new eyes! It was a big, big improvement. Nevertheless I think I will buy one to improve even more.

Thanks a lot my friends. You really solved my problem.
Pedro

Edited by Pedro L Ramalho, Feb 11 2018 - 03:40 PM.


#9 Millennium

Millennium

    Roger Williamson

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 384 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:The Netherlands
  • Interests:GPL
  • Sim interest:GPL

Posted Feb 12 2018 - 04:31 AM

View PostPedro L Ramalho, on Feb 11 2018 - 03:38 PM, said:

(I was just happy with 36FMS based on the fact that the human eye can't perceive much more than that

Sorry, but that's false.

It's something you hear console fanboys often say to defend games running at only 30 fps. (Sadly I also read a simiair claim in the four wheel drift guide included with GPL)
But it's not true at all, most people can even easiliy destinct 60fps and 120fps. Higher framerates are always better and make the game more responsive.

Edited by Millennium, Feb 12 2018 - 04:37 AM.


#10 Pedro L Ramalho

Pedro L Ramalho

    Denny Hulme

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 56 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Sintra, Portugal
  • Interests:Historic Formula 1
  • Sim interest:GPL

Posted Feb 12 2018 - 04:49 AM

Yes, now I see that must be not true. I think (not 100% sure) I read that many years ago precisely in that tutorial about Grand Prix Legends: "Four-Wheel Drift".

I'm checking it now, and it it's written on page 13 "the human eye doesn't perceive much improvement above 30 fps".

We have to see however that this was written in July 1998 (20 years ago!). It's a great book about GPL nevertheless, in my opinion!

#11 Millennium

Millennium

    Roger Williamson

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 384 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:The Netherlands
  • Interests:GPL
  • Sim interest:GPL

Posted Feb 12 2018 - 08:52 AM

It's a great guide indeed. In fact, reading it last year (just out of boredom) was what really got me back into GPL. Especially the way it gave advice on how to gradually learn the different cars and changing the setups.

However on the 36 fps it was just wrong, 36 fps is by no means a great framerate for simulators. More like a bare minimum to enjoy the game.

Edited by Millennium, Feb 12 2018 - 08:53 AM.


#12 Pete Gaimari

Pete Gaimari

    Jim Clark

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 3,536 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Colorado
  • Interests:Racing and Muzzleloader Hunting
  • Sim interest:GPL

Posted Feb 12 2018 - 08:58 AM

Not sure about the fps. I get eyestrain from other sims while getting 200 fps. I get eyestrain while not simming at all but just surfing the net.

#13 twinpotter

twinpotter

    Richard "Dick"Seaman

  • Supporter
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,473 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:leeds,England
  • Interests:Motor Racing
    Motorbikes
    computer gaming-
  • Sim interest:GPL

Posted Feb 12 2018 - 09:53 AM

@Millennium

Thanks for the tip on the yellow filter glasses.

Just to ask and note, I have seen some online, but quite expensive (don't wear any at present)

Are they worth the price. Or can you use the cheaper ones, that motorists wear, for gaming. Or is that a personal choice ?

Any thoughts would be appreciated 👍

TP 😎

#14 Millennium

Millennium

    Roger Williamson

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 384 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:The Netherlands
  • Interests:GPL
  • Sim interest:GPL

Posted Feb 12 2018 - 09:59 AM

I bought mine for 2 euro's or something like that at a discount store. Just buy a cheap pair, as long as it has yellow glasses it works.

#15 Michkov

Michkov

    Denny Hulme

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 881 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Graz
  • Sim interest:I am here to spam and wish to be deleted after registering

Posted Feb 12 2018 - 10:58 AM

Having the room at a similar brightness level as the screen helps. Dark room and bright screen makes it harder on the eyes I find.

#16 twinpotter

twinpotter

    Richard "Dick"Seaman

  • Supporter
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,473 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:leeds,England
  • Interests:Motor Racing
    Motorbikes
    computer gaming-
  • Sim interest:GPL

Posted Feb 12 2018 - 12:39 PM

@ Millennium

Thanks for the advice :D Will have a further look into this and a good look around the net :wave:

TP:

#17 Saiph

Saiph

    Drives 4 Team BDS

  • Supporter
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,864 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Aylesbury, UK
  • Interests:Computer gaming (esp. sims, strategy, RPG), real ale, live music, motor sports, boring the NSA/GCHQ to death.
  • Sim interest:GPL

Posted Feb 12 2018 - 12:48 PM

Do like I do and close your eyes while driving. You'll find that it removes any sense of danger or stress, and thus keeps your eyes nice and relaxed. If you find it difficult to train yourself to do this, you could try a pair of Douglas Adams' peril-sensitive glasses instead, although I'm not sure about the retail cost. Good luck! ;) :thumbup: :wave:

#18 Pete Gaimari

Pete Gaimari

    Jim Clark

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 3,536 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Colorado
  • Interests:Racing and Muzzleloader Hunting
  • Sim interest:GPL

Posted Feb 12 2018 - 01:22 PM

View PostSaiph, on Feb 12 2018 - 12:48 PM, said:

Do like I do and close your eyes while driving. You'll find that it removes any sense of danger or stress, and thus keeps your eyes nice and relaxed. If you find it difficult to train yourself to do this, you could try a pair of Douglas Adams' peril-sensitive glasses instead, although I'm not sure about the retail cost. Good luck! ;) :thumbup: :wave:

Now we know why you're weaving all over the track. We thought you were drunk.

#19 maddog

maddog

    Graham Hill

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 320 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:England
  • Sim interest:GPL

Posted Feb 12 2018 - 08:02 PM

I have no eye strain from racing at 36fps, but near the screen edge, 60 looks better. If my brother looks at the same screen at the same time, he can see no difference.  So, the way we see movement must be different.  What is the difference?

I checked the framerate used by BBC digital TV in the UK.  It's 25fps, and  would not be so low, if it caused eyestrain. :angrypc:  

The difference for our Sim, is motion blur.  We don't have it!  Photography/Videography needs light, and this process makes motion blur.  Maybe some of us need this smoothing motion, to make our simulated World more realistic?  Does less realistic make eye strain, for some and not others?  What else can be tested to help decide where the problem is?

Michkov's idea to make the Computer room lighter, and the Monitor less bright is good -  I always do this.  And I always use default FOV.  It was made to give the same lens perspective as your eyes, for less strain on the brain. ;)  A wider FOV makes frames jump further at the screen edge - not good.

What else?  For those who race happily at 36fps, 36 is good!  For the 60's, more ideas may help with Ai at 36.  Maybe someday they'll be made to race smoothly at 60. :cool:

Edited by maddog, Feb 12 2018 - 09:03 PM.


#20 Millennium

Millennium

    Roger Williamson

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 384 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:The Netherlands
  • Interests:GPL
  • Sim interest:GPL

Posted Feb 13 2018 - 04:20 AM

Most european broadcasts are 50 fps, but in a interlaced resolution. (1080i here in the Netherlands)

Motion blur works great for movies, but it's terrible for games. Especailly when there is a lot of camera movement, which you won't find very often in tv programs and movies. If there would be videogame like camera movements in a movie you're eyes will defenitly get tired and you may start to feel sick.

I do think it's true that people percieve framerates differently, but it also depends on the application. For istance, when I play Dirt Rally with Group B cars 60 fps is still too low in my opinion (because of the quick rotational movements) and framerates above 90 are very usefull. In GPL however 60 fps is good enough in most situations.

Edited by Millennium, Feb 13 2018 - 04:20 AM.





0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users

Sim Racing Links