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#1 Saiph

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Posted Dec 12 2019 - 06:11 AM

Rodrigo Duterte. Viktor Orban. Jair Bolsonaro. Donald Trump. Boris Johnson. And others.....

Racists, fascist tendencies, authoritarian, misogynist, homophobic, pro-violence, narcissistic, egotistical, abusive, dishonest and immature in political debate.

And in other places too around the globe, extremist right-wing politics and fascism seems to be on the rise. Why? How has the human race allowed this creeping cancer to rise up again, after the lessons of the 1930's and 1940's?

Will today's (12th Dec 2019) election in the UK make a start in halting this evil tide? It won't be easy. 95% of the UK printed press (Daily Mail, Daily Express, The Sun, Daily Telegraph (known as the 'Daily Torygraph' due to its slavish devotion to the Tory Party), The Times) are printing propaganda which supports the Conservative (Tory) Party. Those so-called 'newspapers' are owned by just a few billionaires who care for nobody but themselves.

On TV, the BBC and Sky are also supporting the Tories. There are daily calls for the BBC's political correspondent Laura Kuenssberg to be sacked, due to her embarrassingly obvious anti-Labour bias. She has even been reported to the London Metropolitan Police in the last couple of days for revealing information about postal votes which is not supposed to be known before election day. Many other BBC reporters push the pro-Tory line. Sky has tried to narrow this election down to just one topic - Brexit. This fits in with the Tory agenda, and takes attention away from all of the social problems caused by Tory austerity measures over the last ten years.

Britain currently has charity-run food banks which are in regular use, even by people who have a job! Nurses working in the UK NHS sometimes need to use food banks. Currently, there are estimated to be four million children in the UK growing up in poverty. Homeless people can be seen sleeping in the streets in every town and city in the UK, yes even my fairly small town. In the last ten days alone, three homeless people have died of hypothermia in the UK due to sleeping on the streets in sub-zero temperatures. Due to the xenophobic and racist nature of the Brexit debate, Hate Crime in Britain is running at record levels. 47% of Hate Crimes in the UK are targetted at Muslims. This is not helped by Boris Johnson abusing Muslim women in traditional garb as looking like "letterboxes" and "bank robbers". Muslims are regularly discriminated against by the Tory government.

If there's anyone out there reading this from the UK, I hope that voting for Jeremy Corbyn and the Labour Party can stop this tide. Turn Britain back into a human nation once again, where disabled people are not abused and left penniless by being told "you're fit for work - get a job or starve". Where people of all types can live without fear in our multi-racial society. Where everyone gets the chance to have a roof over their head. Where Britain's international policies no longer put the interests of the United States and Israel joint first above all others. Where Britain's TV channels, cinema screens and music charts are not dominated by American propagandist ::crap::.

Please, if you're reading this in the UK and you haven't voted yet: PLEASE VOTE LABOUR FOR A BETTER BRITAIN!

Thanks.

Edited by Saiph, Dec 12 2019 - 06:24 AM.


#2 JonnyA

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Posted Dec 12 2019 - 06:49 AM

Please keep SRMZ free from politics. There's enough of that everywhere else.

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Posted Dec 12 2019 - 07:07 AM

How can be something off topic in the off topic zone? :)

BTW, I beg everyone's pardon for giving Viktor Orban to the world... We (Hungary) are walking to Russian/Turkish/Tadjicistanian/etc. road... You might have heard this from me earlier :) If Brexit fails, expect me somewhere in the UK.

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Posted Dec 12 2019 - 08:37 AM

I suppose we have to overcome the powerful villains of this world in another way, perhaps after that democracy can resume its course, and human misery can be reduced.
This seems to me, for example, to be a possibility...
https://www.youtube....h?v=vpTHi7O66pI

Edited by db312, Dec 12 2019 - 08:38 AM.


#5 John Woods

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Posted Dec 12 2019 - 10:00 AM

View PostSaiph, on Dec 12 2019 - 06:11 AM, said:

Where Britain's international policies no longer put the interests of the United States and Israel joint first above all others. Where Britain's TV channels, cinema screens and music charts are not dominated by American propagandist br=
Please, if you're reading this in the UK and you haven't voted yet: PLEASE VOTE LABOUR FOR A BETTER BRITAIN!

Thanks.

Please do not confuse all of us United States Americans with the extreme arrogance, ignorance, and greed that pervades global affairs.

Fifty percent of recent survey respondents affirm agreement with impeachment and removal from office of the current president.

Salute to Saiph, and as son of WW2 vet, wishing him and all Brits a better life.


:D

Edited by John Woods, Dec 12 2019 - 10:07 AM.


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Posted Dec 12 2019 - 11:08 AM

Not everyone here is left wing / socialist, that's all I want to add. Let's keep it about racing.

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Posted Dec 12 2019 - 11:54 AM

I'm copy-pasting what JonnyA and Millenium said.
The Internet has an excessive amount of politics wherever I go and this community is an ideal escape for me.
Keep this outside, please.

Edited by GrandPrixYannick , Dec 12 2019 - 11:55 AM.


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Posted Dec 12 2019 - 12:24 PM

This isn't politics, this is about human beings trying to unanimously reject fascists parties that are on the rise everywhere around the globe (yes, even here in Italy my dear friends). If this community can provide a small safehaven to likeminded individuals to say to each other 'you are not alone; this isn't the world we want' I'm fine with that.

If you aren't interested, do not enter a thread where such discussions are taking place. Nobody asks you to. Freedom is about respecting other people freedom, for as long as it doesn't interfere with those of others. Nobody's here is doing any harm, on the contrary. Silence about such topics does.

Edited by leon_90, Dec 12 2019 - 12:26 PM.


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Posted Dec 12 2019 - 03:08 PM

Thank you, it means a lot.

And to people complaining, fine, if you heart, so be it. If you don't like it just ignore it, he wasn't trying to start an argument, just a call for solidarity.
The fact that you are complaining says more about your views than anything.
Sadly, too many people enjoy when those who are less fortunate than them are punished because it makes them feel better about their own lives where they might be sad themselves. Or they just mindlessly believe what they are told to believe.

If you aren't even in the UK, why even bother to complain.

And if you think these problems won't affect you, i can assure you they will one day. Look around you. The world is run by psychopaths and things have gradually been getting worse. If you are comfortable, middle class and unaffected now, for how long will that be?

It is nice to see this kind of post here and kind of ironic considering i imagine many racers, being incredibly wealthy are of opposing views. I remember last election seeing James Haydon and Tommy Bridewell telling everyone to vote tory. And most of them live in tax havens anyway - it is always irritating to have to hear people like Neil Hodgson talk about politics from the comfort of his tax haven and rarely do you hear the opposing views from anyone with any sort of platform.

We have had 40 years of this misery and it will only intensify if they get in again. You may not care but a lot of people cannot take it anymore.

The reason the establishment are so keen on promoting the far right is because irrespective of the racism and such, their views broadly align with their own - so called centrism in this country (which is anything but) is just right ideologies with a friendly face.
This has always happened. The upper classes will always band together and close ranks, for they have common interests. While they will pretend some balance in the media, they will always save their most vicious attacks for anyone wanting to actually change the economic status quo.
The lib dems are for more interested in stopping labour getting into power than they are stopping brexit for example.

This is why identity politics is heavily promoted and imported from america. It is because it just divides people and turns them against each other. It is also used as a way of saying "look, token such and such minority is successful, if you're not then it's your own fault". It is about superficially looking good and dissuading the left from economic politics which is such a no-no in america anyway.

And if i have learnt anything, it is that anyone that wants to be in charge and in control will be a bad leader, where as those who are reluctant and only want to out of a sense of duty are in it for the right reasons.

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Posted Dec 12 2019 - 06:33 PM

View Postone2fwee, on Dec 12 2019 - 03:08 PM, said:


This is why identity politics is heavily promoted and imported from america. It is because it just divides people and turns them against each other.


Fox News came here from the UK?


+1 tho all-in-all
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Posted Dec 12 2019 - 07:26 PM

Well, after seeing the initial results coming in from our election, I guess the answer to my original question is 'No'. :(

After seeing those results, I'm not really in the mood to add much more to the thread. I was interested to find out if anyone else among my friends here could see the world situation in a similar way to me. And I'm still interested in reading about others' feelings if they wish to add something.

I would just like to respond to a couple of things which have been said here:

(1) I haven't forced anyone to read this thread. I correctly placed it in the 'off-topic' section, where it actually says 'Post anything you like here'. If you're not interested in politics, what are you doing in this thread? It is clearly titled. Trying to stifle other peoples' debates is another sign of the authoritarian, right-wing politics which I'm concerned about. Think about what you're doing when you try to silence free speech.

(2) I give my thanks to those of you who seem to agree with me (whether in a small way, or fully) that there is a recognisable problem. One of the reasons I posted this thread is because, even with the modern-day reach of social media, we are all effectively still in our own little bubbles. I use Twitter, and I have over 2,000 followers. But I would estimate 95% of those people started following me because I expressed an interest in politics on that platform. I have gathered a lot of like-minded people, which can feel supportive. But it is also self-limiting. It means that I don't have the chance to reach a wider perspective, to listen to, or to influence a wider audience who may have different views and opinions to me. I seem to see familiar 'faces' on Twitter 99% of the time, and debating in that 'bubble' is not debating with the world. So I decided to use this thread as a little experiment to see if I could step outside my Twitter box, and maybe find some new political inputs. And that leads me on to:

(3) Thank you to all who have posted in the thread. Your comments have been interesting, and I appreciate the time and thought you have taken to express your feelings.

(4) I do not mean to blame any single person for the politics of their nation, their leaders, or anything else. Although we all live in countries which are democratic (to varying degrees?) and in theory we all have the ability to choose our leaders, as individuals we are powerless. And therefore generally speaking blameless. And as our nations are democratic, it is inevitable that within each nation, there will be disagreements about personalities and policies. So to tar all people from one nation with a single brush is obviously unjust.

John, thanks for your good wishes. Which theatre did your Dad serve in? Mine was in Italy, under Montgomery (Monty), alongside Patton and Clark. After the war he was transferred as part of the peacekeeping forces in Palestine. He was pulled out of there just before the Nakba and the creation of Israel. I've always taken an interest in the conflicts which my Dad was involved in. Very often, we can trace back tensions between modern-day nations to events which happened some time ago, so history can be a valuable teacher.

Edited by Saiph, Dec 12 2019 - 07:42 PM.


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Posted Dec 12 2019 - 08:25 PM

I feel similarly, Keith.  Just switched on BBC World News and saw the initial results that you mention.

Watching on US version of CNN our House of Reps "debate" and voting on Articles of Impeachment ... all the while sitting at my laptop editing GPL cars.

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Posted Dec 12 2019 - 09:48 PM

Strange how the world spins, Greg. I'm glad you've got something enjoyable to do (at least I hope it's enjoyable! :D) to take your mind off things.
I've just deleted my FaceBook and Twitter accounts.

Edited by Saiph, Dec 12 2019 - 11:00 PM.


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Posted Dec 13 2019 - 06:06 AM

The stark reality is that with Corbyn as their leader, Labour stood no chance whatsoever of success.  I suspect that more people voted Conservative to ensure that he didn't end up as our Prime Minister than voted because they wanted Johnson.  The Labour party made a massive mistake in allowing him to become their leader.  Rightly or wrongly, the British people (I think) have voted to to bring an end to the shameful behaviour of all of our MPs over the last three years.  What we will reap as a 'reward' for yesterday's vote remains to be seen.  However, I personally feel that anyone who thought that having a Labour government led by Corbyn would be any kind of panacea was seriously deluding themselves.  Personally, I don't believe (or trust) any of them and I think that the media coverage and the utter garbage I've been reading written by my fellow citizens on social media has been an utter disgrace.  (I'm not referring to anything in this thread).

Edited by Aysedasi, Dec 13 2019 - 06:11 AM.


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Posted Dec 13 2019 - 06:13 AM

never too late to remove your pink glass , UK like USA never was a decent democraty  never ,Was like USA is  now a terribly malevolent imperialist power, and like the USA a culturo centrist society ,who never had any respect for the other cultures and other countries even there allies and never had a shread of respect for  international institution and concensus, thats the world we all live in

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Posted Dec 13 2019 - 07:38 AM

Just watch Peter Sellers "Being There" to understand how most of the old democrazies work....

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Posted Dec 13 2019 - 09:31 AM

There are arrogant, ignorant, and greedy people everywhere who are by their nature both insidious gladhanders who always paint a rosy future and are vicious thieves who deceive the innocent into voting against themselves.

Seems as Saiph points out the current mass psychosis is global and outbreaks are as much a consequence of historic imperialism crumbling like Hong Kong and the Middle East as is because it is too easy for sheep to follow the loudest shrill pretense of leadership. even in the face of thousands of lies.

We live in a global village that is suffering the last collapsing vestiges of the old economic models.
Sadly, some things we cannot afford to lose are disappearing as fast as our environment.

An interesting and very dangerous time.
Like when Biff got the sports book in Back to the Future.


All the best everyone
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Posted Dec 13 2019 - 09:52 AM

Interesting that so many people say they dislike Jeremy Corbyn, but they can never offer any credible evidence as to why.

Sure, he doesn't like the way Israel treats the Palestinian people. No genuine human being does. He criticises the politics of the Israeli government. But that doesn't make him antisemitic. The antisemitism smear was generated by those who support Israel, and who saw that having the UK Prime Minister putting pressure on Israel to negotiate in good faith with the Palestinian people for a genuine two-state settlement would be politically embarrassing for Israel. Israel prefers to have friends like Donald Trump, who just sits back and says "Yeah, sure Bibi, you just go ahead and kill as many Palestinian women and children as you like, we don't mind. Even though using white phosphorous chemical weapons on Gaza schools is a war crime, we're not going to say anything about it. You go right ahead and bomb the **** out of them."

And sure, Jeremy has contacts all around the world, with various political and paramilitary groups which most UK people would find "undesirable". But if you want to find peace in a trouble spot, how do you begin? Somebody has to reach out and make an initial contact. Without contact and dialogue, no peace treaties could ever be negotiated. Look at what Jeremy achieved in Northern Ireland. Without his contacts with PIRA, UDA, UFF, UVF, Sinn Fein etc the Labour govt would never have been able to begin talks aimed at persuading the IRA to disarm. Although Mo Mowlam and Tony Blair got most of the credit in the later stages, the Belfast/Good Friday Agreement would never have been completed if it wasn't for Jeremy's initial contacts.

Jeremy is a man who is brave enough to try to find peace. It only takes a coward to sit back and issue sneering rhetoric that makes him sound brave and tough (like, for example..... ;)) . But it takes a real man to sit down and talk.

That's something that stupid UK voters (especially those who read the Daily Mail, Daily Express, Daily Torygraph and other lying right-wing propaganda sheets) just didn't understand. That's why they made the mistake of bearing an irrational grudge against Jeremy Corbyn.

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Posted Dec 13 2019 - 10:15 AM

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Posted Dec 13 2019 - 02:04 PM

Keith: "Strange how the world spins, Greg. I'm glad you've got something enjoyable to do (at least I hope it's enjoyable! ..."

Yes!  Listening to Bach's 'Christmas Oratorio' by Sir J.E.Gardiner's group while editing car distance switch settings for an upcoming mod.
Pure bliss!  The most beautiful music that I've ever heard.

It takes compassion and family to overcome the greed that threatens the world.
All the best wishes to everyone, here and all around the world.

Edited by gliebzeit, Dec 13 2019 - 02:05 PM.





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