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#21 Pete Gaimari

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Posted Dec 03 2017 - 11:08 AM

His quote Leon.


"The game isn’t nearly as hard as many have made it out to be; in fact these are the easiest 60’s Formula One cars I’ve driven in any sort of hardcore oriented simulator. "

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Posted Dec 03 2017 - 11:09 AM

Actually Pete I think that is a compliment and a dig at the others.

Really think the article is very good in many respects.
Leon, thanks for posting the link.

In outline form it maybe reads like the narrative of a checklist review comparing the history and current state of Grand Prix Legends to what is possible today. So, good job at that and its his opinion.

After all the trauma and catastrophe that has been part of GPL on-line history it is a wonder it has survived and remains an open community, but no wonder that membership and participation is guarded.

One other security aspect is on-line source diversity, (having independent self-sustaining sites for critical infrastructure download), is a very important part of on-line survival.

Was also surprised to read PRC apparently went negative at Monza after only a few laps?
Maybe he did.
Maybe some of his readers will get the 2004 or 2013 demo, check it out, get registered here and make a donation.

Good for Grand Prix Legends.



:D

Edited by John Woods, Dec 03 2017 - 11:44 AM.


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Posted Dec 03 2017 - 12:02 PM

Quote

His quote Leon.

"The game isn’t nearly as hard as many have made it out to be; in fact these are the easiest 60’s Formula One cars I’ve driven in any sort of hardcore oriented simulator."

And where do you read Lotus 49 exactly? Plus he is labelling GPL as an hardcore oriented simulator. That is a pretty good compliment if you ask me.

Edited by leon_90, Dec 03 2017 - 12:03 PM.


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Posted Dec 03 2017 - 12:04 PM

View PostJohn Woods, on Dec 03 2017 - 11:09 AM, said:


Leon, thanks for posting the link.

It was Rich ;)

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Posted Dec 03 2017 - 12:08 PM

View Postleon_90, on Dec 03 2017 - 12:02 PM, said:

Quote

His quote Leon.

"The game isn’t nearly as hard as many have made it out to be; in fact these are the easiest 60’s Formula One cars I’ve driven in any sort of hardcore oriented simulator."

And where do you read Lotus 49 exactly? Plus he is labelling GPL as an hardcore oriented simulator. That is a pretty good compliment if you ask me.

He says the easiest cars. That's plural. Look at the other sims. They all have the Lotus 49. How can he not be comparing it?

Do you really think he never drove the Lotus in GPL? Look at the pictures. The camera is on the Lotus in some of them.


Why are you defending him?

Edited by Pete Gaimari, Dec 03 2017 - 12:09 PM.


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Posted Dec 03 2017 - 12:31 PM

View Postleon_90, on Dec 03 2017 - 12:04 PM, said:

View PostJohn Woods, on Dec 03 2017 - 11:09 AM, said:

Leon, thanks for posting the link.

It was Rich ;)

OOPS...
Thanks Rich.


Maybe it depends on what is meant by "easiest."
My preference is to think it means the others aren't as much fun.



:D

Edited by John Woods, Dec 03 2017 - 12:42 PM.


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Posted Dec 03 2017 - 12:49 PM

View PostJohn Woods, on Dec 03 2017 - 12:31 PM, said:

View Postleon_90, on Dec 03 2017 - 12:04 PM, said:

View PostJohn Woods, on Dec 03 2017 - 11:09 AM, said:

Leon, thanks for posting the link.

It was Rich ;)

OOPS...
Thanks Rich.


Maybe it depends on what is meant by "easiest."
My preference is to think it means the others aren't as much fun.



:D


He says they're the easiest he's driven. I don't think he meant fun. I take it to mean on a difficulty scale. Does anybody here agree with that?

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Posted Dec 03 2017 - 01:06 PM

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Posted Dec 03 2017 - 01:21 PM

Who knows besides PRC why he chose to say "easiest" when there surely are other words that offer more detail or would be a more descriptive reflection of his analysis. Maybe it was just the easiest word to use.

It could mean consistent, reliable, intuitive.
It could refer to immersion.

Something can be easy on your eyes.

In the context of the article it seems to mean he was disappointed that running Monza faster than Alison's beta time was easy enough compared to the reputation Grand Prix Legends has for being difficult.
He thinks GPL is not as difficult as its reputation portrays and the cars are easier to drive than others.
Doesn't mean it is easy or what is meant by it.

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Posted Dec 04 2017 - 09:04 AM

He said it's easier than all other sims that have 60's cars. Have you drive the Lotus in PC2 with the default tires. It drives like a modern F2 car. AC or iRacing? RF2? All those cars are easier to drive than the Papy cars in GPL.

I have no idea what his motive is. I do know anybody who reads the article who hasn't driven GPL will think it's easy to drive. Maybe that will get them to try GPL and that's a good thing, but they're in for shock when they hit the track for the first time in any of the 67 F1 cars.

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Posted Dec 04 2017 - 09:19 AM

From a long time stander-by and part time GPL indulgent:

He does have a point in how much searching/downloading/fiddling is required to get a major GPL mod up and going. Then there are dead links to deal with. (Past enthusiasts that hosted items to websites that are no longer active.) Not much can be done about these bumps in the road I suppose, just the nature of the beast.

Easy to drive? I have no where near the experience of you guys here... but to me... trying to get proficient in GPL is by far one of the toughest sim racing nuts I've ever tried to crack. I'm still amazed (appalled, actually) at how often I flub and crash-out when trying to race the AI in GPL.

The above strictly FWIW!

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Posted Dec 04 2017 - 09:24 AM

I agree that finding everything to download can be a pain if you don't know where to look. It all seems easy to me, but i've been at it awhile.

However, if someone just wants to try GPL the 1.08 installer is all they'd need to get racing.

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Posted Dec 04 2017 - 10:38 AM

I posted and mentioned the GPL group I created on Steam, hopefully he'll check it out and be able to find some info. Regarding some of your questions, why not ask him about it? Ask which cars he drove, if he attempted default setups, and ask for laptimes at certain tracks, like Kyalami, Mexico, and Spa.

I've always been in favor of a better system for downloads and to find content here. When I was trying to "curate" content, I was met with indifference and even undesirable attitude. Some annoyances about the game do stem from it being 19 years old, it's seen 4 different operating system changes. Not much that can be done there. And I did notice that little tweaks are a struggle to get working consistently. For example, I was not able to remove the black bars in my game.

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Posted Dec 04 2017 - 12:48 PM

A couple of extra points:

1. Maybe he is stroking his own ego. "GPL? Oh yeah, I went negative straight away. No problemo."

2. The fragmented nature of GPL content is a reason it has survived. No single mod, car or track team to have a big falling out or just get bored and wander off. Chipping away at a mountain is the best way to keep progress going.

Just some thoughts.

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Posted Dec 04 2017 - 01:28 PM

I have also been able to better some of A. Hine's GPL times.  But in the oAo online league I am a perpetual back marker.  The author losses some credibility.

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Posted Dec 04 2017 - 01:57 PM

Yes, Allison is a great gal and did a lot for GPL. However, she wasn't the fastest driver in the bunch. She raced real cars so she has all my respect.

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Posted Dec 04 2017 - 03:28 PM

View Postbob holada, on Dec 04 2017 - 01:28 PM, said:

The author losses some credibility.

As if he ever had any :D :D :D. The guy has been known for years as an equivalent of "Daily Mail" of sim-racing portals, specializing in stirring the pot about every racing title (well, except for PCars2 nowadays, after being bought out by Mr Bell). Pete, you're taking the man's words way too seriously.

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Posted Dec 04 2017 - 04:00 PM

Words count. Trump will find that out.

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Posted Dec 04 2017 - 04:01 PM

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Posted Dec 04 2017 - 04:12 PM

He is dangling the carrot for response and as Jonny A states 'Stroking his own ego'  which could be a his male member between his legs, the way he is talking.

I found gpl very difficult, when I began, but then again I was relatively new to sim racing. But the challenge and experienced I gained, along with the nostalgia, far out weighed an easy journey or easy life. As well as the challenge and adventure while not only installing, but getting to work and realizing, 'Wow I am back in the sixties. Mind blowing character.

To finish we have dedicated members, modders and people that have brought this game forward into the sim racing world, for all to enjoy. Not forgetting that in some games you have to part with your bucks, to enjoy continued access and racing. Whereas in gpl you reap the benefits from hard working enthusiasts, who care about not only you, but the game itself.

Maybe he can look in here and clarify his comments, so we can have a proper debate and iron out some of his comments, right or wrong.

Or having failed that, throw the gauntlet down and someone challenge him to an online race. or even put him between two baps, cover him with dog food and shout "Dinner time Fido" :D

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