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#31 tooncheesef1

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Posted Mar 09 2012 - 05:26 PM



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Posted Mar 09 2012 - 06:00 PM

Yes Tooncheese that's the one!Thanks.

(You will have to click on the text above the video to watch.)

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Posted Mar 09 2012 - 06:54 PM

View PostM Needforspeed, on Mar 09 2012 - 03:27 PM, said:

View PostJohnnyAck, on Mar 09 2012 - 03:24 PM, said:

I agree with a better monaco chicane over the stock one. If I get a good run out of the tunnel,I go thru the stock chicane at 147-151 mph, and that's just silly.

And in Monacane, what is your speed ??
Thats a very good question:) Ive never hotlapped monacane hard enough and broken down a replay, so you have given me something to do now. I will return with eagle results soon, as that was my speeds I quoted. An idea I like to still harbor, is to eventually have a really nice accurate 67 trackset with all the updates and goodies, and then maybe some league running with all the new stuff, for a better,realistic season experience. Server will be in igor about 10-15 min.

Edited by JohnnyAck, Mar 09 2012 - 06:58 PM.


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Posted Mar 09 2012 - 08:34 PM

Found out along with being very fun, and different on entry to the next turn after it, I was up to 79mph at slowest spot in chicane, on a lap of 1:27.9 in eagle. most of the time I could stay in the 70 mph zone.

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Posted Mar 10 2012 - 03:59 AM

View PostJohnnyAck, on Mar 09 2012 - 08:34 PM, said:

Found out along with being very fun, and different on entry to the next turn after it, I was up to 79mph at slowest spot in chicane, on a lap of 1:27.9 in eagle. most of the time I could stay in the 70 mph zone.

   Johnny,

  Thks to have been so reactive, both of and on the track, it seems ! You are already in the Jack Brabham pole range

  Did you apply full throttle immediatly before entering the line passing through the apexes ? What gear when inside the chicane ?

  A sure thing is your speed is faster than the AI's, but that 's normal. They have always been reluctant to go fast on chicanes

  If you cld post a replay ? thks

Edited by M Needforspeed, Mar 10 2012 - 04:34 AM.


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Posted Mar 10 2012 - 04:51 AM

View PostCheapracer, on Mar 09 2012 - 09:58 AM, said:

I  also intentionally left a little of the corner of the haybale able to  be passed through to simulate "clipping" the edge of the haybale which  is realistically possible but also to allow people a bit of leway as to  not ruin races - I don't know about now but the GPL collision  programming was a bit dodgy back then.



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  thks for your answer; One remark is that you have seen it wasn 't an haybale, but a rounded advert in wood, probably. With tough bags strenghtening the structure. Car wld have moved, only by  a bare contact with the apex

  Anyway, even passing through the haybale, the degrees between apexes seems good

Edited by M Needforspeed, Mar 14 2012 - 10:02 AM.


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Posted Mar 10 2012 - 07:17 AM

meanwhile, the real  thing shows there wld be good additions to put in the Monacane version, as the guardrail and the 50 meter sign.It wld help some of us to memorize their lift off/braking zone ( as they where also in the 67 event)    

I will try to get support from our fantastic track makers at the Repository, to see what can be done regarding real apexes objects, escape area, rails, signs ect...    

difficult to compare an ingame perspective, and a semi wide angle camera lens that was mounted by Frankhenheimer on the car nose front end, but GPL result isn 't bad, not bad at all, rather very good !! ( The pic and the capture have strictly the same L x l )

   a great thing rendered in Monacane is the driver cld see the right apex just on top of the left one, as on the movie, and quite from the same place


  The place is so trendy .... :lol:

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Edited by M Needforspeed, Mar 12 2012 - 07:30 AM.


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Posted Mar 10 2012 - 08:14 AM

View PostM Needforspeed, on Mar 10 2012 - 07:17 AM, said:


difficult to compare an ingame perspective, and a semi wide angle camera lens that was mounted by Frankhenheimer on the car nose front end, but GPL result isn 't bad, not bad at all, rather very good !! ( The pic and the capture have strictly the same L x l )

   a great thing rendered in Monacane is the driver cld see the right apex just on top of the left one, as on the film, and quite from the same place


  The place is so trendy .... :lol:
M Needforspeed-I believe Frankenheimer mounted the camera on the front of a GT-40
driven by Phil Hill! :D

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Posted Mar 10 2012 - 12:16 PM

View PostM Needforspeed, on Mar 09 2012 - 03:35 PM, said:

reposted with a line where the cars by looking at upper wishbones are under braking, just before accelerating again, to get the max speed  at the entrance of Tabac corner
This picture shows a marshal holding out an 'oil' flag.  Seeing this may be causing the drivers to change their normal approach.  Perhaps.

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Posted Mar 10 2012 - 12:53 PM

Hi Benzman-according to Motorsport article from Intothered site-this is
when Bandini was passed by both Hulme & Stewart,Clark at the back-just visible
thought a crash would happen and took the escape road,then had to backout
in last place.Brabham put the oil down on the 1st lap.Pictures taken
on 2nd lap. :hat-tip:
maybe Bandini offline being cautious?
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Posted Mar 11 2012 - 03:05 AM

After further investigations, crossing infos on various books on Monaco GP, I  can confirm at the moment that for 1966 and 1967 races, the distance and position of the chicane apexes were strictly identical
  
   One book of particular interest is the huge encyclopedia ( 4 big volumes !) " Grand Prix Automobile de Monaco" by Christian Moity that identified every change at the track between years,  certainly the most detailed and best work ever done on the Monaco race.
   compared with 66, organizers moved the control tower and the S/F line towards St Devote corner. That 's all they identified.Swen and the Monaco rock team used those infos  when we posted at the RSC thread.

   Good new is the data on the Frankenheimer movie can be used for the 67 chicane appreciation

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Edited by M Needforspeed, Mar 11 2012 - 03:23 AM.


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Posted Mar 11 2012 - 12:20 PM

Some good research work here guys!  Monaco Rocks was a great achievement in realism, from within the confines of the original Papy track.  A reconfigured chicane creates a new track, with altered lap times.  I suspect this is why it was not altered.

A realistic escape road would not have affected laptimes . . . unless you use it!  Some extra trackside objects, without collision, and an accurate runoff are overdue.  If that means cars are able to turn around and rejoin, after a detour, I don't see that as being a greater hazard, than bouncing off the bales, currently in need of removal. :shrug:

A new chicane would mean a new track, with added realism.  Monocane 2 is lurking behind a haybale! :yeah:

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Posted Mar 11 2012 - 01:26 PM

View Postmaddog, on Mar 11 2012 - 12:20 PM, said:

Some good research work here guys!  Monaco Rocks was a great achievement in realism, from within the confines of the original Papy track.  A reconfigured chicane creates a new track, with altered lap times.  I suspect this is why it was not altered.

A realistic escape road would not have affected laptimes . . . unless you use it!  Some extra trackside objects, without collision, and an accurate runoff are overdue.  If that means cars are able to turn around and rejoin, after a detour, I don't see that as being a greater hazard, than bouncing off the bales, currently in need of removal. :shrug:

A new chicane would mean a new track, with added realism.  Monocane 2 is lurking behind a haybale! :yeah:
   Martin,


Do you mean there is hope for a work on some additions of the chicane ? :rolleyes:  :rolleyes:

I wld be happy to get those correct Shell barriers, rail bag and escape road .Hope we are some to vote for this !

You have seen Monacane already include all the Monaco rocks add ons, apart at that place

Edited by M Needforspeed, Mar 11 2012 - 01:27 PM.


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Posted Mar 11 2012 - 01:54 PM

View PostM Needforspeed, on Mar 11 2012 - 01:26 PM, said:



I wld be happy to get those correct Shell barriers, rail bag and escape road .Hope we are some to vote for this !

You have seen Monacane already include all the Monaco rocks add ons, apart at that place
+1 :thumbup: Another scene from "Grand Prix" that might prove helpful-Remember after Stoddard & Aaron
have their collision approaching the chicane,there is a scene showing the chicane from almost same
perspective as photos posted here looking up the hill.Stoddard is in car injured and medical personnel
and track workers attend to him.Cars go thru chicane at speed. :wave:

Edited by davef, Mar 11 2012 - 01:54 PM.


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Posted Mar 11 2012 - 02:55 PM

Hallo guy's ,

he he its funny to read al these different views/opinions about the chicane hope you find a solution .
Now that this is going on i have also something i want to throw  in this topic , the first thing in Monaco is the TUNNEL .....is tunnel in Monaco not to short and second one is .. after the chicane you come at the turn " TABAC " just befor you have a elevation see pic .
First is from real race second from RF 2 , you can see it very clear .

greets  :hat-tip:

Edited by svenvangent, Mar 11 2012 - 03:02 PM.





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