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#16 Andy77

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Posted Jul 25 2004 - 03:05 AM

i tried again,

this time without throttle help and autoshifting  :lol:  

dropped time 1sec more into middle 1:34  :D

but that the shifting on my wheel is kinda bad. usually the buttons reacting only after 2nd time pressed. especially when shifting down  :blink:

most prob i guess is that i shift too early yet . i am used to shift after engine sound but the coopers engine sounds same all the time.  :unsure:
anyways the cooper seems to be very good-natured , at least for certain noob tries  :lol:

I tried other setups on the cooper yet too , but the alison hine cooper setups seem to match my style of driving most  :thumbup:

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Posted Jul 25 2004 - 10:40 PM

Ok, just finished doing 7 laps at Monza in the 'ol Cooper with the same setup.
I could have done better lap times, but it was not needed. This was the first
time I've driven the Cooper in 8 or months and the first time at Monza.

Here's my lap times...

#1: 1:38.68 (out lap)
#2: 1.33.93
#3: 1:33.06
#4: 1:32.61
#5: 2:06.89 (spun x2)
#6: 1:33.03
#7: 1:32.35

And my replay...

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Posted Jul 25 2004 - 10:45 PM

With regards to my replay above, you may want to fast forward it at
the start, I usually sit in the pits and warm-up the engine before driving.

I was suprised I went as fast as I did, I can't go faster in the Ferrari. :D

The best thing to learn from replay is the braking and gear shifts.


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Posted Jul 26 2004 - 05:42 AM

The Cooper's actually a nice 'ol car to drive at Monza, just bog slow.
The Ferrari can be quick there but I find it a real dog at Monza to be honest.

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Posted Jul 26 2004 - 11:21 AM

wew AWOL  :thumbup:

i gonna work on the breaking points where i know it could be later

the shifting annoys me really tho. especially before lesmo 1 and parabolica.

think i need a real shifter for that.

other than that ive pretty much hope doing it better soon  :D  ;)

thanks for the replay  :thumbup:

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Posted Jul 28 2004 - 07:54 AM

I took some time to compare our fastest laps from both replays.

one thing in this comparision makes me wondering completly. out of lesmo 1 we are in "fighting" distance although i lost a lot ground from curva grande to lesmo 1 and driving a complete other line to there. well out of lesmo 2 and parabolica you was pritty much faster where i think i tried it too slow and high geared in both turns

one thing i recognized in this comparison is that the inner line of corners mustnt be the faster lines . when i look at curva grande and vialone where i took the inner line you went a lot faster while taking the outer line .
a little sliding seems to be more aprobiate in this 2 corners.

one thing that usually bites me yet after some more laps is the shifting especially through both lesmos and the parabolica . too much down and i spin , going only down into 3rd keeps the car stable but is too slow at all

anyways , i go on practicing this car with this setup . I let you know if i get something better and especially more stable over the laps to work.  ;)

thank you so far for your replay it really helps to show how it could be better done  :thumbup:

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Posted Jul 30 2004 - 08:04 PM

Glad you could learn something from my replay. ;)

I did find 1st gear to very short in that setup and it made taking
the Lesmo's slower than it should have been. The rest of the gears
were fine for me...

For a beginner, your doing well, so keep practicing and you'll
get good times soon.

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Posted Aug 01 2004 - 11:54 AM

so, after more tries and a pretty usefull hint from walt about the steering ratio i manage to do stable 1:35 with sometimes 1:34´s in between. :thumbup:

most prob is still that i dont seem to control the car in 1st gear. so i take lesmos and parabolica in 2nd which might be the cause why this time looks a bit slow.

anyhow, most prob is still the kind of uncontrollabity in 1st gear , especially in corners. i really have hard times yet to manage that in 2nd. :unsure:

i really hate if the car is gonna get loose in the rear  :angry:

´btw , could anyone give me a kind of standard time for a quick lap around croft short ?  beside monza its my favourite test track yet and i would like to have comparison times for the cooper  ;)

thanks for all the help here again  :D  ;)  :thumbup:

Andy

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Posted Aug 01 2004 - 02:22 PM

:blink: I never use 1st gear in monza...
Why should i.... 2nd has enough power, and 1.34 in the cooper isnt that bad at monza...
But it could be improoved ;)
keep the line, drive smooth, slow in, fast out, yaddayadda you know that all... but it works.  :D

Here is the WR replay...  :rolleyes: sometimes it helps to see perfection even if we are still far away it can give ideas...


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Posted Aug 01 2004 - 03:14 PM

cool thx i´ll look into it :)  :thumbup:

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Posted Aug 11 2004 - 03:13 AM

soo, i managed to get monza,silverstone,watkins glen and mexico to 102-103% at gplrank.  :)
I only wonder how i could get that close at silverstone and especially mexico.

rouen, zandvoort,spa and kyalami are into 107-110% regions  :(

monaco,mosport and good ole nurby biting me most with 111-118%  :blink:

the really best i ever managed to do was a 4.5secs away from world record at monza oval with an eagle and a setup for the monza gp circuit. ;)

i´m still practicing on the short croft circuit. I got my laptimes there down within 3 days from 58secs to 53secs without changing setup except steer ratio.

well now back from practice reports to practice again  :thumbup:

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Posted Aug 12 2004 - 06:27 AM

Your doing good Andy...:thumbup:

You'll get your lap times down in no time with the way your going.

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Posted Dec 28 2004 - 08:33 AM

I don´t know if it is sensible to revive this thread, but here is a bit of my experiences with GPL.

I love to drive the Brabham for quite some time now, but setup-wise I am stuck. Sometimes I am happy to have a setup I always get back to, but now I begin to wonder why I never seem to change my setup- except for the gears, of course. Driving at Monza enables me to test things, because the track is rather uncomplicated. Now, here´s the joke: I modified my setup alot, and fiddled here and there, solely on the chassis, but last week I went back one step, and scored a new PB. I mean, I had the feeling, that a click here and there would make it handle better/faster... only that those ideas I had, turned out to change the setup back to my "base" setup again.... sheesshh, what a silly game... :lol:

Well, I will return to GPL after new years day, probably. Before that, I need to see the dentist, arrgh, and I expect a ring lap there... :shock:

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Posted Dec 28 2004 - 08:49 AM

Hi Antonio :wave: Welcome to the next level in GPL. :lol: Ahh setups ..
Cheers Walt

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Posted Dec 28 2004 - 09:11 AM

Well... next level? I said I am stuck.  :blink: Luckily my laptimes are quite ok for me. :cap: Well, I will try to catch my train now, so bye!

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