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#1 leon_90

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Posted Dec 31 2014 - 06:27 AM

Hi lads,

in the last few days I was following and reading an interesting discussion among some members at GPX.it forum about Bandini's fatal accident.

LINK http://www.gpx.it/fo....php?f=2&t=1505

It is an italian forum so probably most of you won't understand what they say there so I'll make a synthesis. Starting from an accurate analysis of race reports, testimonials and photographs, people is trying to shed light about this terrible accident. What seems to be clear so far it's that:
Bandini arrived too quick at the chicane. This caused him to hit the Shell advertised border of the chicane, losing a rear wheel. This triggered a spinning in the car which he tried to master by counter-steering and that's why his car did not went into the mediterranean sea but went straight into the hay-bales with an angle that made his car slide upon them until he finally hit the metal fence. This perforated the left side of the car and Bandini himself. Also the fuel tank was hit and this caused a violent explosion causing the car to wheelie and fall upside-down. The deep wound left Bandini unconscious and unable to escape the inferno.

But why he crashed in the first place?
Some photographs show something really strange. Reports say that the cause was tiredness,  as he left the gear shift in 5th instead that in 3rd. Let's look at some pics.
This one was shot right before the accident:
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let's zoom
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you can clearly see that he is watching to his right, while going left into the chicane. Why is that? Why was he watching to his right? What did he notice? Was he noticing something wrong in his wheel or probably in the shift lever itself? Is it safe to assume that it was stuck and he was trying to un-stuck it?

let's look at Hulme pic:
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now a still image for Bandini in the same exact spot as Hulme, before his accident
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now a crossing between the two with better contrast
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he is going to hit, that's for sure, but again: why is he watching to his right? why his body it's to the left, like if he was doing something with his right arm?

The discussion is still on-going. What do you lads think?
I feel very close to Bandini and so, if it's possible to explain what caused his death without doubts, I want as many people as possible to know it. Moreover, I feel like it's an interesting discussion and I want to hear your thoughts about it.

Edited by leon_90, Dec 31 2014 - 06:30 AM.


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Posted Dec 31 2014 - 06:57 AM

Interesting pictures and discussion. I have no evidence but my theory would be.....

Loses the back of the car somewhat over the crest before the chicane
Steers into the slide and therefore doesn't have a hand free to get to the gear lever
If the back of the car is sliding to the right he'd steer into the slide but probably look right to see what he was going to hit
Meanwhile the front of the car is pointing to the left somewhat which brings it into contact with the Shell barrier

Whether it was tiredness, a missed shift locking the rear wheels (do we know he was in fifth or did it just sound like he was? He may have been in neutral if he couldn't get a gear), the awkward crest or some kind of mechanical failure we'll probably never know. All very sad :(

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Posted Dec 31 2014 - 08:00 AM

Maybe he was looking at his RF tire. It doesn't look right to me. Compare it to the Brabham.

Edited by Pete Gaimari, Dec 31 2014 - 08:30 AM.


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Posted Dec 31 2014 - 08:57 AM

View PostPete Gaimari, on Dec 31 2014 - 08:00 AM, said:

Maybe he was looking at his RF tire. It doesn't look right to me. Compare it to the Brabham.

I have the same idea, it looks like it is slightly tilted towards him compared to the Brabham (or that's what I think to see).

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Posted Dec 31 2014 - 09:00 AM

I don't think he was sliding, otherwise tyres (and the car itself) would be in a different position. It seems like something was wrong, judging by his look. Seems to me or the shift lever or the right front tyre (maybe not responding)

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Posted Dec 31 2014 - 09:07 AM

Looking at the zoomed picture, seems like both right tyres are too tilted but it could be a matter of perspective

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Posted Dec 31 2014 - 09:35 AM

View PostPete Gaimari, on Dec 31 2014 - 08:00 AM, said:

Maybe he was looking at his RF tire. It doesn't look right to me. Compare it to the Brabham.

I assumed that was him steering into the slide, but looking closer I'm not quite so sure.

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Posted Dec 31 2014 - 09:42 AM

Interesting...but very hard to find an definitive explanation to the crash !

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Posted Dec 31 2014 - 10:00 AM

From an aeronautical point of view, an accident never happen for one reason only. Must be several concurrent factors.
This is only speculation but, i think that if he had problems with the shifter lever, he could solve it in a proper way, without crash. But if he was tired, the reaction times are much more bigger, and on that point of the track put your attention on the wrong place is critical. Maybe he was tired and not very concetrated when was surprised by a locked lever...and react in a wrong way...

Edited by hagapito40, Dec 31 2014 - 10:01 AM.


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Posted Dec 31 2014 - 10:11 AM

Maybe low air on that RF tire. It shouldn't look that way on the wheel with forces pushing it to the outside.

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Posted Dec 31 2014 - 10:21 AM

View PostPete Gaimari, on Dec 31 2014 - 10:11 AM, said:

Maybe low air on that RF tire. It shouldn't look that way on the wheel with forces pushing it to the outside.

Sidewall does look odd, relative to the rim. RIP

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Posted Dec 31 2014 - 10:30 AM

Plus, the angle of his head is up like he's looking at the tire. Not down like he was looking at the shift lever. If the tire was wobbling it certainly would have caught his eye, and he'd be looking at it. Something had to make him hit the barrier, and I don't believe it was driver error.

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Posted Dec 31 2014 - 10:49 AM

Chris Amon said in a discussion a few years back that he thought that a lost of concentration due to dehydration might have been a part on it, Chris said that by lap 70 or so he was already shivering in the cockpit, most likely is the accumulation of several things

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Posted Dec 31 2014 - 12:02 PM

View Postozpata, on Dec 31 2014 - 10:49 AM, said:

Chris Amon said in a discussion a few years back that he thought that a lost of concentration due to dehydration might have been a part on it, Chris said that by lap 70 or so he was already shivering in the cockpit, most likely is the accumulation of several things

Although Bandini had experience of long races after winning at Le Mans, Targa Florio and several others. But Chris Amon was his team mate for some of them so he probably knew a fair bit about Lorenzo's fitness and stamina.

Edited by Fat Rich, Dec 31 2014 - 12:03 PM.


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Posted Dec 31 2014 - 01:30 PM

View PostPete Gaimari, on Dec 31 2014 - 10:30 AM, said:

Plus, the angle of his head is up like he's looking at the tire. Not down like he was looking at the shift lever. If the tire was wobbling it certainly would have caught his eye, and he'd be looking at it. Something had to make him hit the barrier, and I don't believe it was driver error.

Against my feelings about the whole thing, I had a look at the video. He exits the chicane and goes a bit down the road before hitting the bales on the left. He still is, if the mind isn't playing tricks, looking to the right up until the last moment while still moving left on exit before running out of road. You can make a case for tire, worn out neck muscles, or just plain exhausted and unfocused.

Edited by Royale, Dec 31 2014 - 02:16 PM.


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Posted Dec 31 2014 - 03:25 PM

View PostRoyale, on Dec 31 2014 - 01:30 PM, said:


He still is, if the mind isn't playing tricks, looking to the right up until the last moment while still moving left on exit before running out of road.

Never seen that.. I have to look at the video again. Really sad...

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Posted Dec 31 2014 - 07:16 PM

While this digital imaging makes for an interesting topic, the original colour photo is small - the black and white may be modified around the helmet - and the 'crossing of the two' needs better understanding.  What does that mean?  The drivers head seems offset almost beyond belief!   Is it real or composition?  Dubious but interesting. :)

Edited by maddog, Dec 31 2014 - 07:16 PM.


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Posted Dec 31 2014 - 09:50 PM

Interesting topic, but I am skeptical of this theory. Perhaps time has influenced people's feelings about
this most unfortunate accident and we need to look/read about it from those who witnessed that race.

In Henry Manney's report from Road & Track (Aug. 1967) some specific passages about Bandini's
situation in the team gives us some insight into the pressure he was feeling to win at Monaco. Not
since 1955 had the Scuderia won at Monaco. Scarfiotti was out after an incident at the Spa 1000k.
Amon was the new boy, who had not yet driven for Ferrari in F1 (injured prior to the ROC at Brands
Hatch in a road accident.) Bandini had finished 2nd in 1965 and 1966. He qualified for the 67 race
on the front row.
"Frankly, we wouldn't have wanted to have been Bandini, surrounded by that horde
of sabre-toothed tigers...we cautioned his neighbors not to push him into the drink in the first lap
anyway and all they did was grin. Lorenzo was a past master at getting off the line about 0.10 sec.
before the flag actually fell anyway and sure enough, encouraged by beady eyes in his mirrors,
he did just that, leading off the line and up the hill"

Here we are reminded further of that race in 1955 and the fate that awaited Alberto Ascari:
"...and when all the row burst around the downhill Mirabeau corner Bandini's red Ferrari was in front
(to the joy of the large Italian contingent)..
When Stirling Moss retired in the 1955 Monaco Grand Prix handing the lead to Ascari in the Lancia D50
the crowd reacted much like in 1967 according to some accounts.

"Bandini then began his push to whittle away the 16 sec. lead Hulme had worked away on him about
half distance. Denny was never in better form though, and was wheeling around the hairpins on full
opposite lock and flitting through the Casino turn faster than anyone else in an effort to offset his
lack of power."
"...Bandini, to cheers from the crowd, pulled up to about 9 sec. But Denny was watching over his
shoulder as he did his handbrake turns and didn't let it get any closer than that. Bandini was one
of those drivers that worked on nervous energy and got very tired...when he saw there was
no use in it, he slowed a bit, but was clearly at the end of his tether, missing the odd shift
and not driving as neatly as he usually did.
The inevitable happened on the 82nd lap..."

The full article on the race :
http://srmz.net/inde...?showtopic=8506

Now I'm not saying that it isn't possible Bandini had a problem with the car, but clearly Manney points
out fatigue as being the major factor in the accident. 100 laps in a 3 litre F1 car in 1967 was probably
a receipe for disaster. Throw in Bandini's pressure within the team & his desire to finally win the most
prestigious race (save Monza) for Ferrari, was he destined for what took place at the Chicane as was
Ascari ?

Not until 1975 was the jinx of Monaco buried for Ferrari, when Niki Lauda stomped out the winless
streak 20 years afterwards.

Edited by davef, Dec 31 2014 - 09:56 PM.


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Posted Jan 01 2015 - 03:37 AM

View Postmaddog, on Dec 31 2014 - 07:16 PM, said:

While this digital imaging makes for an interesting topic, the original colour photo is small - the black and white may be modified around the helmet - and the 'crossing of the two' needs better understanding.  What does that mean?  The drivers head seems offset almost beyond belief!   Is it real or composition?  Dubious but interesting. :)

They are both real pictures, simply Bandini's has been put over Hulme's which is a bit wider and colors have been re-worked to be seen better :)

Dave I know that stress had probably a major part in the accident, but it could (and I say could) be that he had also problems with his gear shift or a tyre or something distracted him (looking at the mirror?) and being too tired to properly manage with it he crashed

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Posted Jan 01 2015 - 09:23 AM

I no doubt that everything said about Bandini was true, but I also see something strange going on with that RF tire, and he was looking at it.

Maybe a combination of both was what caused the horrible crash that took his life. Being just one generation from being born in Italy. I would like to think it wasn't driver error.

It's always sad to think of the great drivers who gave up their lives for the love they had for motor racing.




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