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#1 twinpotter

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Posted May 28 2016 - 03:33 AM

Seen as though it is the Monaco GP,this weekend. I thought this thread was apt at this moment in time.
Just the general history of the Monaco track,it's layout changes and any members interesting facts.
I read that the original start was where it is today,but at some point the start was moved round to the old straightish section,after Tabac,until later moved back to it's original and todays start.
Also talking of the other start after Tabac.In gpl after Tabac you make your way straight down to Anthony Nogues,where today is the swimming pool chicanes and Rascasse,Gas airpin.It seems that that old section in gpl runs slightly in to the present day pit straight? Did this all get built in and man made along the way.

Anymore interesting facts like St devote corner because of the Saint influence at Monaco and a small chapel behind the stands,on that corner.

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Edited by twinpotter, May 28 2016 - 03:37 AM.


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Posted May 28 2016 - 12:04 PM

Here are a few tidbits I found about the Monaco GP

1)In 1950 as Juan Manual Fangio approached a blind corner on lap two, he noticed the crowd were not looking at him in the lead, but at something on the circuit ahead. He slowed right down and avoided a massive pileup that claimed many of the drivers behind him who were not so observant. The crash was started by a wave from the harbour that splashed onto the circuit.

2)"Although the basic layout has remained the same since the inaugural championship race in 1950,several revisions have been made over the years,most notably in 1973 when the building of a swimming pool on the harbourfront necessitated the use of a new section. The current final corners,La Rascasse and Anthony Noghes,were introduced in the same year in place of Gasworks hairpin". (F1 website)

3)  One other significant change that year altered the challenge of the circuit without actually changing its configuration. The tunnel was extended due to the building of Loews Hotel, which also gave its name to the hairpin after Mirabeau.

4)The start line was originally on the harbour front where the swimming pool now stands. It was switched to its current location in 1963, making Sainte Devote the first corner.

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Posted May 28 2016 - 12:12 PM

Joe Saward on Monaco history
https://joesaward.wo...ess-for-monaco/

Plus we have a Monaco F2 challenge :)
http://freeleo.hu/we...&race=201605290

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Posted May 29 2016 - 10:03 AM

Thanks Marco and Fajanko.
Interesting info and facts.

Plus this about the corners        http://www.thisisf1....ot-their-names/

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Edited by twinpotter, May 29 2016 - 11:02 AM.


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Posted May 30 2016 - 05:50 AM

Great info on each corner . I wonder who came up with the idea to name the corners of race tracks. Thanks Twinpotter :thumbup:

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Posted May 30 2016 - 04:47 PM

My coverage said that yesterday was the first time ever the race has not had a traditional Grand Prix start.

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Posted May 31 2016 - 03:05 AM

View Postdavef, on May 30 2016 - 04:47 PM, said:

My coverage said that yesterday was the first time ever the race has not had a traditional Grand Prix start.

Which was a real shame...

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Posted May 31 2016 - 01:21 PM

View Postfajanko, on May 31 2016 - 03:05 AM, said:

View Postdavef, on May 30 2016 - 04:47 PM, said:

My coverage said that yesterday was the first time ever the race has not had a traditional Grand Prix start.

Which was a real shame...

Hopefully in Canada we will get a true start. :)

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Posted May 31 2016 - 01:36 PM

I hope so too . Usually the Canadian GP is exciting and unpredictable. Last year's race was uncharacteristically  boring.

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Posted Jun 01 2016 - 05:35 AM

What do you mean? How can they not have 'a traditional grand prix start'? Don't tell me they started under the safety car or something? If so how hilariously pathetic. I can't believe people still pay to watch spoilt rich prima donnas drive utterly boring cars around desecrated and destroyed circuits mixed with new and atrocious ones :D

Unfortunately, i would take much of the "facts" with a pinch of salt - it shows how much the official F1 site cares about 'history' ;)

The swimming pool was there way before 1973, as can be seen here from 1968 footage https://www.youtube....h?v=vaX_4aVryLk

The track actually ran behind it, as others have mentioned in this topic.

I am guessing they must have added a proper pit lane using the road that was previously the track up to that point. Although that is speculation - i know there was no pitlane in the 60s but for it to still not have a segregated pitlane all the way up to 73 is kind of surprising considering the saftey crusade that was going on in the late 60s / early 70s when tracks really started to change. Kyalami and Zandvoort both got segregated armco pit barriers for example.
Maybe they added one in the late 60s and realised the road wasn't wide enough (especially for the ever widening grand prix cars) and so finally took the plunge in 73?)

So, not sure when they built the swimming pool but it certainly wasn't the reason for the layout change.

Also the starting grid position has changed a number of times, contrary to what is stated there.

Edited by one2fwee, Jun 01 2016 - 05:40 AM.


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Posted Jun 01 2016 - 06:31 AM

Yes, they started and  did like 6 or 7 laps behind the Sc... :zzzzz:

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Posted Jun 01 2016 - 07:56 AM

If I remember from the 90's, the pit lane and garages were facing the start straight line. Whereas all they have done,I think, is switched the garages,to the other side,facing the swimming pool section.Possibly because of the threat of flying debris,from any impact on the start/straight section?Health&safety I presume?

I was hoping for a normal start to the Monaco GP this year,regardless of the weather,but with modern day health&safety in motor sport,I knew it was not going to happen. I would have been and possible others, more glued to the TV,knowing that the dash to St Devote and the uphill to the Casino, on a rain soaked track,could've given us more avid viewing.

As Ginetto as stated simply  :zzzzz:
Let us bring back some exciting F1 racing. Do we think this impossible or realistic today.All because of safety.
I am sick of seeing the drivers become car managers whilst driving.Their full focus on managing fuel and tires,during racing,for me, takes away the drivers instinct to go fast and race each other.With negative effect and lack of excitement for the fans.Balls out racing is an after thought and drivers now been preoccupied with boundaries, is for me,not good at all.Let us do away with ideas of engine modes and plastic driving.
Another problem I see,again is money orientated,with the culture of the rich kids and the old statement,-"It's Not What You Know But Who You Know",getting the first chance,regardless of any racing talent.Having their family and peers,bankrolling them into a driving seat.Pastor Maldonado ring any bells.Criminal when you have, off the street racers,who will never get the chance.Concern that, Something I know, as been voiced constantly by prominent motor sport people,such as John Surtees,as well as others.

I understand that tire and fuel management as been around for years, but all I can see now is Robot driving.
Take away the gimmicks like DRS and KERS. Make the tires more robust or even groove able. Maybe bring back fuel stops and even more in season testing.What do you think!

They say also that, F1 is loosing its fans,but maybe this is because they are not listening to those fans. I feel, the only thing on the organizers mind, is money and more money. Having GP'S in places where the owners of tracks, have shelled out ,not only money, to build the track, but money to host a GP.This been somewhere, where true fans are not going, or are unable to go and where corporate people take there place.At present, F1 is not a sporting spectacular for people,but for business and corporate gurus with wealth and endless pockets.
In fact they could hold a GP on the moon and as long as it pulls in the dollars, from wealthy investors and corporate fans,all would be fine.It would therefore go forward without feeling or thought.Despite it's lack of feasibility and interest from you and me(unless you have the deep pockets too) the race would go on nevertheless.
I understand the value of  progression and development, in motor racing and that we may never get back to those golden days of motor sports. After all, what will be, will be and changes are inevitable.But at what cost to us the true motor sport fan.

Having said that and concluding,I am just so glad that I have,can play and experience old school racing, still,with my PC gaming and Gpl stroke F1 Challenge.

PS: Don't tell Bernie about the moon idea. After all it's my Patent. LOL !!

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Edited by twinpotter, Jun 01 2016 - 11:29 AM.


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Posted Jun 01 2016 - 06:02 PM

Yes, I agree that F1 has become boring and predictable. Money is the driving force and we the fans are paying dearly for it. The sport has become fat and heavy with rules ,regulations and political correctness. This is just a byproduct of the society we now live in.  Yes safety should be a priority but it has destroyed the comradery amongst the drivers. They lack respect for one another and act like little babies when someone actually tries to race them.
Perhaps the governing body should think about actually letting these boys race and stop penalizing them for stupid infractions that didn't exist 15 years ago.

Racing is inherently dangerous and will always be dangerous,so when a person decides to climb into a race car he knows that the possibility of injury or death is a given. That is his or her choice.  No matter what precautions we take  there will always be something we couldn't possibly have imagined that will take a life.
Jules Bianchi's death may have been avoided if we could have predicted his future but we can't predict the future and so his death was a racing accident. An accident is usually an unpredictable event. During the Monaco race it was mentioned that his family are now suing for his death. Has anyone's family ever sued F1 or a manufacturer before ? I guess this brings us back to where we started, MONEY !!!
I don't think F1 will ever be what it once was but something needs to be done to save what's left of it.

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Posted Jun 01 2016 - 06:45 PM

View Postmarco lenarduzzi, on Jun 01 2016 - 06:02 PM, said:

Yes, I agree that F1 has become boring and predictable. Money is the driving force and we the fans are paying dearly for it. The sport has become fat and heavy with rules ,regulations and political correctness. This is just a byproduct of the society we now live in.  Yes safety should be a priority but it has destroyed the comradery amongst the drivers. They lack respect for one another and act like little babies when someone actually tries to race them.

Perhaps the governing body should think about actually letting these boys race and stop penalizing them for stupid infractions that didn't exist 15 years ago.

Racing is inherently dangerous and will always be dangerous,so when a person decides to climb into a race car he knows that the possibility of injury or death is a given. That is his or her choice.  No matter what precautions we take  there will always be something we couldn't possibly have imagined that will take a life.

Marco, this is what has happened to EVERY sport which has gotten big money-wise.  Everyone attached to it depends on it for their livelihood, from the drivers, right down to the people who make the engines, sensors, paint the helmets, provide timing and safety equipment for the track etc.

What you’re wishing for is to watch amateurs racing lower budget cars in local events.  And those are around, but the level of driving skill will be less.

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Posted Jun 01 2016 - 06:50 PM

View Posttwinpotter, on Jun 01 2016 - 07:56 AM, said:

If I remember from the 90's, the pit lane and garages were facing the start straight line. Whereas all they have done,I think, is switched the garages,to the other side,facing the swimming pool section.Possibly because of the threat of flying debris,from any impact on the start/straight section?Health&safety I presume?

They didn't flip the boxes and the lane though, IIRC the whole area got remodelled when they widened the pitlane. The entry to Rascasse got straightened at the same rebuild. Looking at Google Maps it seems the actual pit buildings are temporary and the whole area of the city is used as a parking lot with semi-permanent buildings covering parts of it.




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